PhilK Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 We will have to politely agree to disagree. There is no room whatsoever for non full British riders in the British National Development League. We must strive to develop our own talent. What a tired old arguement this is getting, a Commonwealth rider in the NL, perish the thought! This arguement would hold some weight if there was any sign of the PL and EL working with the NL to progress these Young Brits you speak of. The PL this season has 15 teams giving 105 team places of which currently 56 are taken by 'overseas' riders. Put more simply on average 4 of every side are non British. The EL has 10 teams giving 90 places with double uppers of which currently and incredible 63 are taken by 'overseas' riders. So please dont critisise a National League stand alone club for signing the one commonwealth rider! As 2ndbendpostie correctly points out in 2009 the arrival of Taylor Poole not only lifted the club and provided great entertainment, but the word soon got about and crowds increased considerably for the time he was with us! However idealistic you want to be, you surely understand the need of standalone National League clubs to try and make money to ensure their survival, after all if they cannot make money they will close, and with that will go six places (at least)for young brits!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 So please dont critisise a National League stand alone club for signing the one commonwealth rider! As 2ndbendpostie correctly points out in 2009 the arrival of Taylor Poole not only lifted the club and provided great entertainment, but the word soon got about and crowds increased considerably for the time he was with us! However idealistic you want to be, you surely understand the need of standalone National League clubs to try and make money to ensure their survival, after all if they cannot make money they will close, and with that will go six places (at least)for young brits!! Didnt Mildenhall close anyway???? is there enough cash in the NL to pay overseas riders? im not so sure there is,be it stand alone or dual clubs,i fear the NL cant afford to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) agreed,but there is a difference to entering the country and coming here to race speedway Definitely, but then that also depends on the interpretation of the law tbh etc etc. I think it has been clearly stated that he couldn't ride over here on the specific type of visa mentioned that everyone assumes he is coming over on (unless an exemption applies in the interpretation of the Law), so i think he must be eligible a different way, or different rules apply due to his age. If he is here & riding illegally then fair enough, but none of us know that,i think its better to give him the benefit of the doubt, until we actually know, and as you say if he isn't then it will soon be found out. Edited June 1, 2011 by shirlmeister general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Didnt Mildenhall close anyway???? is there enough cash in the NL to pay overseas riders? im not so sure there is,be it stand alone or dual clubs,i fear the NL cant afford to do it Their closure had nothing to do with overseas riders! If you read this forum regularly you will know that. And my information is that neither of the two overseas riders used by Mildenhall in the last two NL seasons earned as much as the top paid riders at the club! Your dislike of Non Brits in the NL is obvious and if that is your view fine, but try and base it on fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendpostie Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 So please dont critisise a National League stand alone club for signing the one commonwealth rider! As 2ndbendpostie correctly points out in 2009 the arrival of Taylor Poole not only lifted the club and provided great entertainment, but the word soon got about and crowds increased considerably for the time he was with us! In fact we were two of those who came back because of Poole, We had stopped going to the meetings as there seemed little to enjoy or cheer that season, hearing about him got us back for the rest of that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Does it? I take it you have seen his British passport then. That was a general comment about it existing which it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fentigers79 Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Give the poor lad a chance his feet arnt even on the ground yet! Im sure "can he ride/ cant he ride" saga will all be sorted out soon enough, and if he cant im sure he will enjoy visiting our wonderful friendly country full of fantastic speedway clubs and friendly supporters across the length and width of the country. Rogue Trader if you want to give mildenhall your home address im sure they will send you a copy of all his documents for your approval , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) If he has a british passport that means he is a british citizen (and to my understanding & im not an expert)then he qualifies for all the rights associated with it. I'm no expert either but I agree and that's what the law states (at least as far as I can research, anyway).It seems a pretty simple one to me - british passport he rides, no british passport he doesn't. This arguement would hold some weight if there was any sign of the PL and EL working with the NL to progress these Young Brits you speak of. The PL this season has 15 teams giving 105 team places of which currently 56 are taken by 'overseas' riders. Put more simply on average 4 of every side are non British. The EL has 10 teams giving 90 places with double uppers of which currently and incredible 63 are taken by 'overseas' riders. So please dont critisise a National League stand alone club for signing the one commonwealth rider! As 2ndbendpostie correctly points out in 2009 the arrival of Taylor Poole not only lifted the club and provided great entertainment, but the word soon got about and crowds increased considerably for the time he was with us! However idealistic you want to be, you surely understand the need of standalone National League clubs to try and make money to ensure their survival, after all if they cannot make money they will close, and with that will go six places (at least)for young brits!! Nail on head, Philip In fact we were two of those who came back because of Poole, We had stopped going to the meetings as there seemed little to enjoy or cheer that season, hearing about him got us back for the rest of that season. I think that's the thing, Postie. There has to be a balance between the needs of the clubs to stay solvent and the principle aim of the league ie development. There's no doubt that the young Aussies who have ridden in the NL over the past few years have helped with attendances (I have little doubt that Heeps will do the same)and in my view (and very eloquently put by Mr Kirk)that doesn't have a huge impact on British youngsters getting places. Edited June 2, 2011 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Im sure "can he ride/ cant he ride" saga will all be sorted out soon enough, and if he cant im sure he will enjoy visiting our wonderful friendly country full of fantastic speedway clubs and friendly supporters across the length and width of the country. Rogue Trader if you want to give mildenhall your home address im sure they will send you a copy of all his documents for your approval , I think that's right but this is speedway after all and no doubt there will be the usual squabble whatever is decided when the rules of the sport should make his eligibility clear lomng before he even arrives. Personally, I think it will be a huge shame if he can't ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennywren Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I think that's right but this is speedway after all and no doubt there will be the usual squabble whatever is decided when the rules of the sport should make his eligibility clear lomng before he even arrives. Personally, I think it will be a huge shame if he can't ride. I also think it will be a huge shame if he doesn't ride after all the time & effort put in to bring him over and also for the rider himself. While I agree that the National League should focus on developing British youngsters, in today's society we are all expected to offer equal opportunities to anyone entitled to work in this country regardless of their place of birth, etc... I'm not sure that the rule quoted on a previous thread about the requirement to hold a UK passport holder or have patriality status would pass close scrutiny by someone who has expert knowledge of this type of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Does it? I take it you have seen his British passport then. You obviously have a hang up about Mildenhall - first it was the safety fence now this. Stick to the threads on your own team if you have nothing constructive to say. <personal abuse removed> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 You obviously have a hang up about Mildenhall - first it was the safety fence now this. Stick to the threads on your own team if you have nothing constructive to say. <personal abuse removed> My posts have been factual and polite unlike yours that are sarcastic, rude, arrogant and patronising. I am neither sad or pathetic but you clearly have the tendancies of a bully which I have reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 My posts have been factual and polite unlike yours that are sarcastic, rude, arrogant and patronising. I am neither sad or pathetic but you clearly have the tendancies of a bully which I have reported. No, your posts appear designed to provoke and have gems such as "There is no other track in the Country with just an armco fence" which is totally incorrect <removed> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Heeps has arrived in the country, as he was as Foxhall tonight..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Please dont start having a go because this question is genuine and I don't mean any malice by it. Does anybody know what it is that makes Cameron possibly eligible to ride now that prevented it earlier? Just interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 My posts have been factual and polite unlike yours that are sarcastic, rude, arrogant and patronising. I am neither sad or pathetic but you clearly have the tendancies of a bully which I have reported. Definitely a bully, that one. Had me in tears many times No, your posts appear designed to provoke and have gems such as "There is no other track in the Country with just an armco fence" which is totally incorrect I was talking to a current rider at Wolverhampton on Tuesday night and he was saying that tracks now running stock car meetings believe it is safe to simply stick an air fence in front of a concrete or steel wall when in his opinion it is anything but. According to him, the problem comes when a rider goes under the fence and smashes into a rigid barrier behind, and I think he very much has a point. Please dont start having a go because this question is genuine and I don't mean any malice by it. Does anybody know what it is that makes Cameron possibly eligible to ride now that prevented it earlier? Just interested. Very fair question and I doubt if you are the only one who wants an answer. Mildenhall clearly think he can ride while Buxton's Jayne Moss (amongst others) has said he can't. As far as I can make out from applicable legislation if he has a british passport he is eligible, if he hasn't he can't because patriality only kicks in when you are 17. This is speedway though, and rules don't always count. One thing is certain: as FT79 as said, we will found out soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusthepom Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Just quoting from his website, wwtbp. Oi'll Zee you in ZummerZett for the Pairs - bring it on!! eye finks he shod do anuver yer at skool to lurn is englush thun cum out to ingerlund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Heeps has arrived in the country, as he was as Foxhall tonight..... Must have gone straight there from Heathrow - there's committed for ya! Mum's gone along with him so's he's always got clean undies and he's not harassed by Cougars! Here's hoping you all give him a fair go - he's a good 'un; make no mistake, Cam'll do all his Downunder fans proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Must have gone straight there from Heathrow - there's committed for ya! Mum's gone along with him so's he's always got clean undies and he's not harassed by Cougars! Here's hoping you all give him a fair go - he's a good 'un; make no mistake, Cam'll do all his Downunder fans proud. Looking forward to seeing him Dave, if he is anything like the other young uns that have come over he will put bums on seats and add excitement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Read the rule book before making such ill informed posts. If you read the rules I think every NL team breaks the rules!! As far as I know no NL team signed a number 8 at the start of the season but the rules state quite categorically, in bold no less, that every initial declaration must consist a squad of 8 riders. Please dont start having a go because this question is genuine and I don't mean any malice by it. Does anybody know what it is that makes Cameron possibly eligible to ride now that prevented it earlier? Just interested. My reading is that all swings on whether Cameron has a UK passport. If has a UK passport he can ride in the NL as per the rule 17.9.3. This is the also the rule that states UK Patriality qualifies a rider to ride in the NL too. However, it appears that Cameron is too young to claim UK Patriality. ---------------------------- My view is that Cameron would add to the league and is not just a change for the sake of change. He's clearly a better rider than the rider he would replace. The league must be an attractive product to the paying public, and not just a training ground for riders that are not up to NL racing standard yet. I'm not going to name names but I've seen a few riders that have been off the pace and I would have no problem with one foreign rider, of any nationality, per team to make sure that the league isn't propped up by substandard riders. The alternative is a higher points limit so some Brits such as Birkinshaw and Warwick etc aren't frozen out of the league. Either option would be a step forward in my opinion. Perhaps a short second half to NL meetings with four man teams where the reserves become heat leaders and anyone on 3.00 average, or lower if an actual average was recorded at a lower value, takes up the other two places. This gives the NL reserves, who may only have had three rides in the main part of the meeting, extra experience and the lesser standard riders still get 'proper' racing without being left half a lap behind by NL heat leaders and even second strings in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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