Marmite Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 The point is the tapes did not rise evenly,not who messed up the start.Considering the technology aviable it was a poor decision not to rerun the heat.IMO. The point is, the race was not rerun and in that race Holder messed it up... that is the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I doubt that Bomber will be given another wildcard, if a Brit will be given a wildcard pick for 2012 it wouldn't surprise me to see Kennett given a chance. I must admit to thinking that at present Kennett would be out of his depth. The only possibility is Woofinden - has he done enough this year to deserve a 'pick' - I don't think so. I believe it will be 'Bomber' or nobody. The unpalatable truth is that we have, on the face of it - and under this System, nobody good enough. :sad: R.I.P. British Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Which is why things were better in the old days when Riders actually QUALIFIED for the World Final. If you ask me IMG has far too much say in Speedway. Never mind - it will be great to go to Cardiff etc. next year with no British Rider in the Series.....................................................won't it???? Selection ALWAYS creates a problem. If you QUALIFY you qualify and that is the end of it. Agreed. Let us see the top riders in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I must admit to thinking that at present Kennett would be out of his depth. The only possibility is Woofinden - has he done enough this year to deserve a 'pick' - I don't think so. I believe it will be 'Bomber' or nobody. The unpalatable truth is that we have, on the face of it - and under this System, nobody good enough. :sad: R.I.P. British Speedway. I think the future hopes of British speedway could rest on the shoulders of Tai Woffinden and Nick Morris.. Quite ironic really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 I think the future hopes of British speedway could rest on the shoulders of Tai Woffinden and Nick Morris.. Quite ironic really. Not sure about Morris ...I think we need to work on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 I must admit to thinking that at present Kennett would be out of his depth. The only possibility is Woofinden - has he done enough this year to deserve a 'pick' - I don't think so. I believe it will be 'Bomber' or nobody. The unpalatable truth is that we have, on the face of it - and under this System, nobody good enough. :sad: R.I.P. British Speedway. It can only be Harris because he's the best we have at the minute but let's face the facts. He can't gate consistantly. If he could he would be seen in a better light rather than the guy who just loves the outside line. That was the difference towards the end of last season. When Greg wins the W/C as I hope he does Chris should take him on as a coach to show him how it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Not sure about Morris ...I think we need to work on him I agree, but he's only 16 or 17 and compared with similar aged British riders he's probably got more potential. He's obviously a bit green at the moment and has a lot to learn, particularly with preparation and organisation from what I've seen. As others have said he seems to rely on his gating and when behind he doesn't look comfortable to me but I'm sure he can develop these areas with a bit of guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 I agree, but he's only 16 or 17 and compared with similar aged British riders he's probably got more potential. He's obviously a bit green at the moment and has a lot to learn, particularly with preparation and organisation from what I've seen. As others have said he seems to rely on his gating and when behind he doesn't look comfortable to me but I'm sure he can develop these areas with a bit of guidance. I was talking in terms of pursuading him he needs to ride for GB.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 I was talking in terms of pursuading him he needs to ride for GB.... Oh yes.. Well if he's got any sense he'll go British because the opportunities will be greater than as an Aussie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Oh yes.. Well if he's got any sense he'll go British because the opportunities will be greater than as an Aussie. Thats another area that needs sorting , either your born as an Englishman , or born as an Aussie , all this 'change passport' nonsense has too stop . Even this forum has a Welshman who swears he is Australian despite being born over here and living many years here............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Oh yes.. Well if he's got any sense he'll go British because the opportunities will be greater than as an Aussie. Exactly!! Do it Nick, you know it makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 your born as an Englishman , or born as an Aussie Not really, dual nationality is not rare. However having represented 1 country internationally then one should not be allowed to switch. Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Not really, dual nationality is not rare. However having represented 1 country internationally then one should not be allowed to switch. Niamh How can you be dual really ? You cant be born in 2 countries at the same time !!! It would be different if mummy was on holiday abroad when the sprog popped out , but apart from that it should be black or white !!! There should be a certain timescale , ie , how long you lived in the country of your birth . Edited August 2, 2011 by phlipphlop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 It can only be Harris because he's the best we have at the minute but let's face the facts. He can't gate consistantly. If he could he would be seen in a better light rather than the guy who just loves the outside line. That was the difference towards the end of last season. When Greg wins the W/C as I hope he does Chris should take him on as a coach to show him how it's done. It can't be Harris as things stand because he isnt even in the top 12... in fact relatively he isnt even close to the top 12........... this historically is where IMG chop to another British rider... but even then they have to try to make the room in a way that doesnt appear outrageous Not really, dual nationality is not rare. However having represented 1 country internationally then one should not be allowed to switch. Niamh and that is the key really btw full respect to said welshman as there is nothing worse than someone who emigrates but doesnt accept their new nationality.... in any case from what I have heard from others who have emigrated to Oz, unlike here it is a requirement as the locals take a dim view of it otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 It can't be Harris as things stand because he isnt even in the top 12... in fact relatively he isnt even close to the top 12........... this historically is where IMG chop to another British rider... but even then they have to try to make the room in a way that doesnt appear outrageous Quite right . So it's Harris or no one. There's no point in suggesting the also rans just to bring in a Brit because they're more unlikely to make the grade. Harris is almost there so stick with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Quite right . So it's Harris or no one. There's no point in suggesting the also rans just to bring in a Brit because they're more unlikely to make the grade. Harris is almost there so stick with him. But how long should they stick with him? No other country gets a place out of sympathy. Apart from one fluke and a couple of decent results he has never looked like making a serious challenge and he's taking up a place better riders could use. If he turns his season around as he did last year then maybe give him one more go but he is on borrowed time in the GPs. If he was any other nationality he would have disappeared 3 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 If he turns his season around as he did last year then maybe give him one more go Maybe give the person who finishes 6th another year in the GPs! You do have some strange criteria for automatic qualification. Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Maybe give the person who finishes 6th another year in the GPs! You do have some strange criteria for automatic qualification. Niamh The fact is if he'd been from any other country he wouldn't have been in it last year, or the year before, and quite possibly the year before that. And on current form he doesn't deserve to be there next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Quite right . So it's Harris or no one. There's no point in suggesting the also rans just to bring in a Brit because they're more unlikely to make the grade. Harris is almost there so stick with him. ok so if he is to be stuck with who makes way for him out of Koldziej, Bjerre, Lindgren and Lindback? You cannot fit 17 riders into 16 places and 9th to 12th positions shouldnt come below 13th in the pecking order Bomber's only chance is that he 1) breaks into the top 12 ... and 2) stays relatively on the pace of the top 8 (he is currently 20 points behind.. or 3) he finishes in the top 13 on pace and someone retires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) ok so if he is to be stuck with who makes way for him out of Koldziej, Bjerre, Lindgren and Lindback? You cannot fit 17 riders into 16 places and 9th to 12th positions shouldnt come below 13th in the pecking order That would probably depend on who qualified from the Final in Vetlanda. If a couple of Danes or a couple of Poles get through then Kolodziej and Bjerre would surely see their chances of a pick disappear, and that isn't entirely inconceivable given the meeting has 4 Danes and 5 Poles in it. (edited for accuracy as I previously said 4 from each, forgetting about poor Mr Ulamek) Also, Lindback is in the GP Qualification Final, so he could seal his place there and not rely on one of the handouts...Something that Bomber and Freddie should have been doing this year as well! Edited August 3, 2011 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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