engineman Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 The starting tapes incident may well have disadvantaged Chris Holder - he certainly was claiming it did - but if so surely it must have disadvanted Chris Harris even more given that he was on gate 4? He clearly (from replays) had to re-clutch as the tapes hadn't moved when he first dropped the clutch. I didn't notice Holder doing the same but he would be more relying on seeing the tapes move than just watching the solenoids..Not sure what the rules say, but I believe the ref's dilemma would be that the result had been declared, and could not be altered without FIM stewards' ruling so it became their problem, not his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Ironically, if the word "bland" does fit against a top-class speedway rider, it's Bjarne Pedersen. you mean Blande Pedersen? I was even yawning writing his surname! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 If I could pick places to have 10 GP's I would go for ... Â KIngs Lynn, Peterborough, Sheffield, Monmore Green, Arena Essex, Coventry, Somerset,Eastbourne, Ipswich, & Rye House .... & I am talking trackwise, not capacity, parking, facilities etc ... just on decent race tracks This is why you're on here and Paul Bellamy is running the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 This is why you're on here and Paul Bellamy is running the show. Â You spelt "ruining" wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I thought the incident with Holder and the tapes not going up cleanly was an absoloute disgrace, that race should have been restarted Holder was well disadvantaged. Not forgetting Bomber who's bit of the tapes went up after Holders!! The jury did meet but obviously they deemed the result fair  There was some good heats as the meeting went, the race between Gollob and Emil was top drawer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Not forgetting Bomber who's bit of the tapes went up after Holders!! The jury did meet but obviously they deemed the result fair   Yep I said the same earlier in the thread. Holder messed his start up, Harris who we know is the worlds worst gater was greater disadvantaged but still gated better than Holder. Holder messed it up, simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Did anybody notice how poor the crowd was. Looked like about 3-4000. With the gate at the Ullevi GP an all time low for Speedway there, and another low gate at Prague recently Are the Grand Prix's losing their attraction? Â Yeah i mentioned it towards the start of the meeting. Â This GP will have one of or the lowest attendance of the series. According to the official site it holds 4,000 spectators and i see a fair few gaps in the seats. Â I still reckon that they overprice the tickets. Â Although, obviously across the world sporting events have suffered massively from a drop in attendances for even the major sports and events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) I'm amazed there has been little coment about the clown of a start marshall. Â His insistence in standing between gates 2 and 3 IMHO put some riders at a disadvantage. He often did not have enough room to walk behind the riders without turning sideways and once touched one of the riders but he got even worse and walked between the rider on gate 3 and the tapes and then between gates 3 and 4. Surely this must have upset the concentration of the rider on gate 3, interupting his line of vision to the magnets for instance. I'd suggest the rider on gate 4 might have been slightly bemused to have a person suddenly walking beside him at the gate. Â In forty plus years of watching the sport I've never seen this done before. I'd be interested to know if anyone else feels the same, especially any rider/former riders. Does such unusual behaviour affect the concentration? Surely not a good thing at this level of competition. It would only interfere with a rider's concentration if the green light was on, in which case that would be the fault of the referee as he should only put the green light on once the marshal has walked away. However, this wasn't the case and I've seen on numerous occasions where the marshal has had to squeeze through a gap between two riders, or walk in from of a rider to move out of the way. How else is he meant to get from the tapes to the rear of the riders if there isn't enough room between them? Edited July 31, 2011 by ImpartialOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Yep I said the same earlier in the thread. Holder messed his start up, Harris who we know is the worlds worst gater was greater disadvantaged but still gated better than Holder. Holder messed it up, simple. The point is the tapes did not rise evenly,not who messed up the start.Considering the technology aviable it was a poor decision not to rerun the heat.IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhbig Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I think its more to do with the quality of some of tracks & the knock on effect it has on the racing. They should mix the tracks up a bit size wise as well, why the the World Champion only have to be good on big fast tracks ? ... maybe its because all its they have in Poland! Â If I could pick places to have 10 GP's I would go for ... Â KIngs Lynn, Peterborough, Sheffield, Monmore Green, Arena Essex, Coventry, Somerset,Eastbourne, Ipswich, & Rye House .... & I am talking trackwise, not capacity, parking, facilities etc ... just on decent race tracks You missed out the best "racing" track of all Costa Mesa...groan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I thought that this was the most boring Grand Prix I have seen in a long time, very poor. The only saving grace for me was Greg Hancock who improved his position on the road to the Title - and after a dreadful start too. Â I hope that 'Herbie' can win it again - on his displays so far, he certainly deserves to. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I thought that this was the most boring Grand Prix I have seen in a long time, very poor. The only saving grace for me was Greg Hancock who improved his position on the road to the Title - and after a dreadful start too. Â I hope that 'Herbie' can win it again - on his displays so far, he certainly deserves to. :approve: It was actually a fascinating meeting on updates due to the tightness of the scores. However, when I came to watch it I ended up skipping through most of it. Â Has to be the first time a meeting was more exciting not watching it than watching it, that's how bad it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 ................ BUT its worth watching just to see bombers face when holder ripped the phone out talking to the ref,it almost looked like bomber was about to pick the phone up from the ground to try and speak to the ref!!!!!!!!! wonder if the track billed mr Holder for the repairs to the phone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 after all these years I would have thought someone would have realised what makes Terenzano a good track when it isnt being a bad one ....as all we seem to get from it is alternating extremes ............ poor track on Saturday and the racing on the outdoor tracks on the whole this season has not been great  with regards to the tapes issue there is seriously something wrong with the sport if something like that can't be rerun..... I couldn't care less if a summit of world leaders approved the result, once that replay had been seen then only one thing should have happened................... to allow the meeting to just continue as if it is acceptable and normal is ridiculous and shows the sport in a bad light  Chris Bomber Harris and the IMG dilemma ...... at the moment, based on previous years Laguta, Holta and Bomber are adrift enough to not be handed wildcards..... add that to those above them outside of the top 8 seemingly being on the pace enough to be offered wildcards, and even at around the half way point it is starting to add up to an IMG/Brit problem for next season.............. unless Chris rapidly improves, or someone starts plummeting like a stone, or one of the veterans retire..... I should imagine this is adding up to being a big issue in the IMG offices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 after all these years I would have thought someone would have realised what makes Terenzano a good track when it isnt being a bad one ....as all we seem to get from it is alternating extremes ............ poor track on Saturday and the racing on the outdoor tracks on the whole this season has not been great  with regards to the tapes issue there is seriously something wrong with the sport if something like that can't be rerun..... I couldn't care less if a summit of world leaders approved the result, once that replay had been seen then only one thing should have happened................... to allow the meeting to just continue as if it is acceptable and normal is ridiculous and shows the sport in a bad light  Chris Bomber Harris and the IMG dilemma ...... at the moment, based on previous years Laguta, Holta and Bomber are adrift enough to not be handed wildcards..... add that to those above them outside of the top 8 seemingly being on the pace enough to be offered wildcards, and even at around the half way point it is starting to add up to an IMG/Brit problem for next season.............. unless Chris rapidly improves, or someone starts plummeting like a stone, or one of the veterans retire..... I should imagine this is adding up to being a big issue in the IMG offices   Which is why things were better in the old days when Riders actually QUALIFIED for the World Final. If you ask me IMG has far too much say in Speedway.  Never mind - it will be great to go to Cardiff etc. next year with no British Rider in the Series.....................................................won't it????  Selection ALWAYS creates a problem. If you QUALIFY you qualify and that is the end of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidncohen Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Chris Bomber Harris and the IMG dilemma ...... at the moment, based on previous years Laguta, Holta and Bomber are adrift enough to not be handed wildcards..... add that to those above them outside of the top 8 seemingly being on the pace enough to be offered wildcards, and even at around the half way point it is starting to add up to an IMG/Brit problem for next season.............. unless Chris rapidly improves, or someone starts plummeting like a stone, or one of the veterans retire..... I should imagine this is adding up to being a big issue in the IMG offices  I don't know if this has come up much in the forum before but it's certainly something that has crossed my mind, i.e. the potential, for whatever reason, for there to be no British rider in a subsequent GP season. I suppose this brings up the wider context about British speedway's influence and British rider standings in the context of speedway's general progress / direction moving forward. Personally, I would prefer the best riders regardless of nationality, rather than the inclusion any British riders who by most people's reckoning don't really cut it.  David Edited August 1, 2011 by davidncohen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamfj Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I doubt that Bomber will be given another wildcard, if a Brit will be given a wildcard pick for 2012 it wouldn't surprise me to see Kennett given a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Which is why things were better in the old days when Riders actually QUALIFIED for the World Final. If you ask me IMG has far too much say in Speedway.  Never mind - it will be great to go to Cardiff etc. next year with no British Rider in the Series.....................................................won't it????  Selection ALWAYS creates a problem. If you QUALIFY you qualify and that is the end of it.  WK you may well be right... I used to love the old road to the world final ........but then even that wasnt a true representation of the world's top riders having an even chance to get in when there were so many eastern bloc riders getting in and only scoring points against each other  In the end IMG do what they do (and IMO pretty well on the whole) and it is the FIM who have given them the freedom....... it is just howling at the moon to think money and corporate thinking wont be an influence......  as things stand now though they are really backed into a corner     I doubt that Bomber will be given another wildcard, if a Brit will be given a wildcard pick for 2012 it wouldn't surprise me to see Kennett given a chance.  this is the issue i've suggested though WFJ .....Bomber is probably the least of the issues for them............. if there are 3 qualifiers..... a top 8 .... a wild card for each GP ..... and at the moment 4 riders making a good claim for a wild card from Bjerre down to Kolodziej ..... then there is no room for a Kennett or Woffinden...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I doubt that Bomber will be given another wildcard, if a Brit will be given a wildcard pick for 2012 it wouldn't surprise me to see Kennett given a chance. It would amaze me. Eddie is nowhere near good enough for the GP's. BSI will be hoping Bomber ups his game in the last few Gp's to allow them to give him a chance. Holta deserves a bit of leeway as he has been severely restricted by his wrist injuries, but I think he's always known he has to finish top 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I doubt that Bomber will be given another wildcard, if a Brit will be given a wildcard pick for 2012 it wouldn't surprise me to see Kennett given a chance. You Kennett be serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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