Chris Brown Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Disappointing that Jonsson won it but he rode very well in the semi and final so well done to him. Disappointing ??? I backed him at 22/1 so I was certainly not disappointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 I like Holder but that does annoy the hell out of me. it's just embarrassing now, like some kid on Tiswas trying to get noticed. Lol perfect description. I so used to smack my tv screen when kids on Tiswas did that, plus i was only about 9 months old when it was on lol. Mind you, it's better to have someone smiling than a miserable fizzog on show to the world. I do strongly cheer Holder on as a rider though. He's definitely an all time favourite on that score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) Why are you disappointed that Andreas won? I am just curious -- personally I love to see the ''oldies'' win as much as I do the ''youngsters'' Because I find him a bit bland. I would have loved to have seen Lindback win his first GP but he will eventually. Glad to see his form is getting bck to where it was several years ago after a string of personal problems. Hancock should have it in the bag now. In what way do you find him bland??? If we're talking personalities, well whatever! lol, only i usually leave that sort of discussion to my little sister and her girly friends. Being a bloke i prefer to use a speedway forum for racing talk. I sincerely hope the GP isn't in the bag now. A 22 point lead averages out to under 5 points a meeting to overhaul with five meetings left. So presuming you are indeed talking of racing......whilst i respect Greg Hancock for his performances at his age, which i never saw coming this season at all, i would have thought Andreas Jonsson is the more exciting racer??? Maybe i'm wrong in thinking this and correct me by all means, but even allowing for recent races in the last few meetings i always thought that Jonsson is far more willing to race aggressively regards overtaking attempts than Hancock is? Edited July 30, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Disappointing ??? I backed him at 22/1 so I was certainly not disappointed Pity about the previous 55 losses at those odds of 22/1 though Joking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Gollob looked underpowered tonight, which isn't the norm. Talking of which, Emil seems to be putting the same physical effort and agression as the previous years but doesn't seem to be able to power past once he has engineered an opening for himself as frequently this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Because I find him a bit bland. I would have loved to have seen Lindback win his first GP but he will eventually. Glad to see his form is getting bck to where it was several years ago after a string of personal problems. Hancock should have it in the bag now. Be great if ''Herbie'' wins. I find Andreas a bit all or nothing and as a Coventry supporter I remember gettiing pretty angry at times with his ''no show'' until I realised he had health problems but I'm a sucker for seeing the ''oldies'' do well as they will soon disappear from the scene. Great to see Antonio Lindback back in form -- I hope he has put his problems/demons behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 To say Jonsson is bland is like saying Bridger is a smashing chap. He hasn't been at his best for some time but when he gets it together he is a joy to watch. Anyone who has seen the 2004 SWC (admittedly a few years ago now) will tell you Jonsson is far from bland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 To say Jonsson is bland is like saying Bridger is a smashing chap. He hasn't been at his best for some time but when he gets it together he is a joy to watch. Anyone who has seen the 2004 SWC (admittedly a few years ago now) will tell you Jonsson is far from bland. When AJ is "on it" he's great to watch and often has you screaming in Kelvin Tatum style, "You cannot do that" but when he's not on it, he's pretty bland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Silly question... but is Artem Laguta actually out of the GP series for the remainder of 2011? I missed the start of the Italian GP last night, so didn't hear why Zorro was in. I seem to remember reading on the BSF, that due to missing the GB Grand Prix, Laguta should be disallowed from riding in the series. Is this the case, if anyone knows. Cheers, Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Silly question... but is Artem Laguta actually out of the GP series for the remainder of 2011? I missed the start of the Italian GP last night, so didn't hear why Zorro was in. I seem to remember reading on the BSF, that due to missing the GB Grand Prix, Laguta should be disallowed from riding in the series. Is this the case, if anyone knows. Cheers, Jerry Broken a bone in his wrist riding for Czestochowa.He will be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 To say Jonsson is bland is like saying Bridger is a smashing chap. He hasn't been at his best for some time but when he gets it together he is a joy to watch. Anyone who has seen the 2004 SWC (admittedly a few years ago now) will tell you Jonsson is far from bland. I am no great fan of Jonsson but to call him blnad is of course ridiculous. He missed the start in both semi final and final amd came through from the two unfavoured gates in both Shovvy has that if they don't/never have ridden for Poole syndrone then they are boring/dull/dirty (delete as appropriate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) I've been reading this discussion with great amusement, as if there's one thing Jonsson is not, it's bland. Somewhat annoying in the way he can suddenly turn it on at times, and look next to useless at others, would be a fair criticism. I think "inconsistent" is the word that sums that up. But bland? No. Totally the wrong word. Ironically, if the word "bland" does fit against a top-class speedway rider, it's Bjarne Pedersen. All the best Rob Edited July 31, 2011 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I've been reading this discussion with great amusement, as if there's one thing Jonsson is not, it's bland. Somewhat annoying in the way he can suddenly turn it on at times, and look next to useless at others, would be a fair criticism. I think "inconsistent" is the word that sums that up. But bland? No. Totally the wrong word. Ironically, if the word "bland" does fit against a top-class speedway rider, it's Bjarne Pedersen. All the best Rob Think you are mixing up "bland" with "bald" there Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I've been reading this discussion with great amusement, as if there's one thing Jonsson is not, it's bland. Somewhat annoying in the way he can suddenly turn it on at times, and look next to useless at others, would be a fair criticism. I think "inconsistent" is the word that sums that up. But bland? No. Totally the wrong word. Ironically, if the word "bland" does fit against a top-class speedway rider, it's Bjarne Pedersen. All the best Rob Think you are mixing up "bland" with "bald" there Rob Actually I think he's hit the double without realising it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 This GP will have one of or the lowest attendance of the series. According to the official site it holds 4,000 spectators and i see a fair few gaps in the seats. I'll check the link later but is Oslo another super-low capacity? I, know the indoor one that ended one or two of the series in the past was pitiful attendance wise. And not likely to get any better when they serve up dross like that for the first half of the meeting, admittedly it did improve and the last few heats were good but Teranzano isnt condusive to good racing and like a lot of these GP tracks this year provides boring racing most of the time. I thought the incident with Holder and the tapes not going up cleanly was an absoloute disgrace, that race should have been restarted Holder was well disadvantaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Quite the boring race yesterday. Only from the middle of the last set did we see some exiting racing. I won't stop watching, but the World Championship has been a bore so far. I'm expecting more from the top riders in the world, but what can one do when they are handed crap conditions? But, forever optimistic, I hope the remaining GP's will be more entertaining. Staging a GP in Norway would be great, but there are too many barriers in the way. First of all, the sport is marginal, and to fill Telenor Arena we would rely on a helluvalot of visitors, wich brings me to the next barrier: Money. Norway is expensive. Eff'king expensive. Tickets will probably cost £50 for the cheapest seat, beer £5 for a reduced pint (0.4 litres) and food like pizza slice or a hot dog the same. Getting from Oslo city to the arena will also be costly, so besides hotel, and getting to Oslo, don't be suprised if the price tag will be something around £150-200. It is cheaper for me who lives in Norway to travel to i.e. Denmark. But hey, if it can raise some awareness towards the sport, I'm all for it. It's just not practical, that' all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Did anybody notice how poor the crowd was. Looked like about 3-4000. With the gate at the Ullevi GP an all time low for Speedway there, and another low gate at Prague recently Are the Grand Prix's losing their attraction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 And not likely to get any better when they serve up dross like that for the first half of the meeting, admittedly it did improve and the last few heats were good but Teranzano isnt condusive to good racing and like a lot of these GP tracks this year provides boring racing most of the time. I thought the incident with Holder and the tapes not going up cleanly was an absoloute disgrace, that race should have been restarted Holder was well disadvantaged. Agreed , the Ref was a dick . He's above the tapes i presume , so surely someone in authority near the first bend area could have alerted him to the bleedin' obvious ? He could clearly see from he tv replays the gate malfunctioned , and could have re-run the heat . But then , referees and common sense are an alien concept . As concerns the meeting , the track itself was poor , and were there more than a thousand in attendance ? Running a speedway GP in Italy is a bit like awarding the footy world cup to a hotbed of football like Qatar........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) I'm amazed there has been little coment about the clown of a start marshall. His insistence in standing between gates 2 and 3 IMHO put some riders at a disadvantage. He often did not have enough room to walk behind the riders without turning sideways and once touched one of the riders but he got even worse and walked between the rider on gate 3 and the tapes and then between gates 3 and 4. Surely this must have upset the concentration of the rider on gate 3, interupting his line of vision to the magnets for instance. I'd suggest the rider on gate 4 might have been slightly bemused to have a person suddenly walking beside him at the gate. In forty plus years of watching the sport I've never seen this done before. I'd be interested to know if anyone else feels the same, especially any rider/former riders. Does such unusual behaviour affect the concentration? Surely not a good thing at this level of competition. As for the tapes incident. The referee probably didn't see it from his position but in a meeting of this kind when replays of the start are available immediately after the race, maybe no result should be declared until the start has been reviewed by the ref from a head on angle, therefore allowing the racfe to be declared void and rerun.(isn't hindsight a wonderful thing ). Edited July 31, 2011 by Star Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) Did anybody notice how poor the crowd was. Looked like about 3-4000. With the gate at the Ullevi GP an all time low for Speedway there, and another low gate at Prague recently Are the Grand Prix's losing their attraction? I think its more to do with the quality of some of tracks & the knock on effect it has on the racing. They should mix the tracks up a bit size wise as well, why the the World Champion only have to be good on big fast tracks ? ... maybe its because all its they have in Poland! If I could pick places to have 10 GP's I would go for ... KIngs Lynn, Peterborough, Sheffield, Monmore Green, Arena Essex, Coventry, Somerset,Eastbourne, Ipswich, & Rye House .... & I am talking trackwise, not capacity, parking, facilities etc ... just on decent race tracks Edited July 31, 2011 by HasseHolmqvist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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