SteveLyric2 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Its every 2 weeks effective from the following Monday. They are all on the BSPA website - and they are usually mostly correct!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyN Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Many thanks Skidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 ...although I've also read somewhere that rolling averages are updated after every meeting, which probably has an element of truth in it as teams are racing all the time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Rolling averages are updated twice a month now for all EDRs who have done 2 home and 2 away and all other riders who have done 4 home and 4 away. Rolling averages now only take into account this season and last season - any meetings from before that are discarded - so KK for example has to start again this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Riders at PL clubs, changing only each month, will have a better, truer rolling average now than EL participants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Riders at PL clubs, changing only each month, will have a better, truer rolling average now than EL participants. How do you work that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 How do you work that out?Think she means where you have the edr riders getting false averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 But she says "now". For the last three seasons Pl riders have had a "truer" average, and it's nothing to do with how often the averages are calculated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted November 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Rider's averages for 2017 will not include meetings from 2016. All riders will remain on their PL, Assessed or Converted (EL x 1.4) average until they have completed 4H & 4A matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Rider's averages for 2017 will not include meetings from 2016. All riders will remain on their PL, Assessed or Converted (EL x 1.4) average until they have completed 4H & 4A matches. Makes a lit of sense. Now they just need to confirm a re declaration limit of 42 or 43 points and issue a transparent rule on treatment of averages for new riders after that point. So far the BSPa seem to have done a reasonable job with the rules for 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted November 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Rider's averages for 2017 will not include meetings from 2016. All riders will remain on their PL, Assessed or Converted (EL x 1.4) average until they have completed 4H & 4A matches. Forgot to add that all relevant League Matches will count. 32 Premiership, 36 Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Forgot to add that all relevant League Matches will count. 32 Premiership, 36 Championship.And that imo does not make sense. They are going to have to guess a conversion between the two new leagues. Actually, once teams are named a reasonable conversion could be approximated. But definitely opens things up to manipulation of averages.I don't understand the logic in doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted November 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Forgot to add that all relevant League Matches will count. 32 Premiership, 36 Championship. And that imo does not make sense. They are going to have to guess a conversion between the two new leagues. Actually, once teams are named a reasonable conversion could be approximated. But definitely opens things up to manipulation of averages.I don't understand the logic in doing this. Not sure if you are misunderstanding. It doesn't mean that a rider in both Leagues will have a combined average. They will end up with a Premiership average calculated over 32 matches, rather than the 20 match Rolling Average. Similarly they would end the season with a Championship average, calculated over 36 matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Not sure if you are misunderstanding. It doesn't mean that a rider in both Leagues will have a combined average. They will end up with a Premiership average calculated over 32 matches, rather than the 20 match Rolling Average. Similarly they would end the season with a Championship average, calculated over 36 matches. I had misunderstood.In that case, that again seems a remarkably sensible decision! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Does open up some 4H 4A manipulation possibilities though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 No....surely not a rule made of rubber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Does open up some 4H 4A manipulation possibilities though....just say any redeclaration must be under a 43 point limit. That includes if you replace a rider with a lower averaged one. Job done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) just say any redeclaration must be under a 43 point limit. That includes if you replace a rider with a lower averaged one. Job done.I see your point and that lower limit will be in place it seems but I was looking at a different point. If a side were to lose each of their first 4 away matches by say 20/30 rather than 10 then the redeclaration will have more flexilbility whatever the limit is. With a 'brand new' average being acheived from those first 8 meetings rather than a rolling 20 the impact of any reduction would be greater. Edited November 27, 2016 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 just say any redeclaration must be under a 43 point limit. That includes if you replace a rider with a lower averaged one. Job done. That doesn't address the situation where after so few meetings some riders will be on false averages. Similar happened last year where some draft riders had an 8+ average after the first few meetings.. Granted, reserves have tougher rides in the new (old) format, but if some teams have cannonfodder at #7 is it quite possible that some reserves could put two or three points on their average in the first 8 meetings. Another change that doesn't seem to have been thought through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 I wonder if the BSPA/SCB will take the overall team averages of the Championship teams after 4 home and 4 away meetings and make that figure the 'new' (reduced from 50 points) team average for Premiership clubs.?? The Championship teams could well have averages above 44-45 points after 8 meetings and it would be a little silly for them to have a higher average than the reduced Premiership figure!! ps. Do League Cup and Elite Shield meetings count towards the Premiership averages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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