500cc Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Am I correct that the use of 2010 meetings is dependant on the status of the rider. For example Riders A and B both rode 10 meetings in 2010, and both rode none in 2011. So in 2012 Rider A's Rolling Average includes those 10 2010 meetings. He only starts dropping them once riding is 19th meeting of 2012. In contrast Rider B's 2012 Rolling Average is exclusively made up from 2012 meetings (his 2010 meetings are all ignored) Am I correct the both scenario's can be played out in 2012? Equally is it true if Rider's C and D both rode 6H/3A in 2010 (but none in 2011), that Rider C could get a new average after his first 2012 away meeting, whilst Rider D would have to wait at least eight 2012 meetings (4H/4A) to get a new average? I think the scenarios for Riders A, B and D are all possible. Not so sure about Rider C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khabiboulin Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 If a rider takes part in a meeting but officially takes no rides, what happens? The scenario I mean is when a rider is injured in his first ride (which is stopped and re-run), he is not excluded but is unable to take any further part in the meeting. In normal record keeping, this would go down as the slightly odd (but in my opinion, totally correct) 1 meeting, 0 rides. Normally that has no impact on averages. But under these rolling averages where only the last 28 or 38 meetings count, it matters. The scenario happened to Joonas Kylmakorpi this season and it appears the BSPA have completely discounted his appearance in that meeting which I think is the wrong thing to do. In many ways, I quite like the rolling averages, but (as well as the above scenario) I don't like the way that meetings from so long ago can still count. When very, very few riders ride every meeting in a season, they are very likely to have meetings from 2 seasons ago counting - that doesn't seem right really. The rider who is quite cleaely the best rider in the Elite League is still getting his average reduced by his less impressive 2010 form - is that right? Is it really relevant now? And what I find even more silly is that now the PL has a different number of meetings from last year, every single rider is guaranteed to have very old meetings counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 They didn't include Scott Nicholls' MMM at BV last season. Despite him technically having 3 rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khabiboulin Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Three 2-minute exclusions when he didn't turn up? That's interesting, although in my book I wouldn't count that as a meeting because he didn't actually appear on track (or even in the pits, presumably!) Any ideas when the SCB (not you!) might finally decide to replace the 2011 rules on their website with 2012 ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Three 2-minute exclusions when he didn't turn up? That's interesting, although in my book I wouldn't count that as a meeting because he didn't actually appear on track (or even in the pits, presumably!) Any ideas when the SCB (not you!) might finally decide to replace the 2011 rules on their website with 2012 ones? It's a difficult one as technically, he had the minimum 3 rides. If you dont include them, what if a rider is late and only turns up for his last ride do scores MM3. Is that 3 from 3 or 3 from 1? I'm sure someone said "soon" - I'm not holding my breathe, they know now that us fans rip them to pieces so they'll keep them hidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khabiboulin Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 But 2-minute exclusions don't count towards averages whether the rider is (or can be) replaced or not. I think in that case it is 3 from 1 although his team will only have had 28 rides that count towards averages that night. Slightly odd maybe but I think that's the right way - the same as if there are three-rider races because of injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Speedway Rules are FAR too complicated for a Rolling Average Bloke like me. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 I see In September's rolling averages Plymouth's Jake Anderson has been listed as having ridden 2 matches, have the bspa forgot he rode for Birmingham / Glasgow in 2010, shouldn't these matches count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 I see In September's rolling averages Plymouth's Jake Anderson has been listed as having ridden 2 matches, have the bspa forgot he rode for Birmingham / Glasgow in 2010, shouldn't these matches count? It depends, who stands to gain? Aaron Summers never had his 2010 EL meetings included in his average, yet Chris Schramm was deemed an illegal guest for Coventry last week because of meetings in the EL in 2010. Josh G at Bv also has 2010 figures in his average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 About time the BSPA sent the rulebook to a primary school to get sorted once and for all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I think this whole thread sums up why your average man in the street avoids speedway like a tarts toothbrush. If even die hard fans can't understand the rules, what chance does a newcomer have ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Bringing the PL Averages broadly into line with the EL Averages, the PL Green Sheets (Rolling Averages) will only have 2013 PL Matches added to them. The number of effective RA Matches (Currently 38) will gradually be reduced throughout the season, so that by September the majority of riders’ averages will consist of PL Matches only. Issues from the BSPA, effective from the 1st of the month, will be reduced to:- May: 35 meetings June: 32 meetings July: 29 meetings August: 26 meetings September: 24 meetings. ATB Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 No doubt some will moan but I like that. I also like that it's happening gradually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 How do you convert an EL average to a PL average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 When I saw the thread "Rolling Average" I thought it was the number of times riders were pulled back by the ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 When I saw the thread "Rolling Average" I thought it was the number of times riders were pulled back by the ref. Although the two words do perfectly describe Nicolai Klindt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 This years regs do not seem to state how many matches count towards the rolling averages - only stating 'the specified number' without going on to specify it for each league! Anyone know the correct number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted April 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 This years regs do not seem to state how many matches count towards the rolling averages - only stating 'the specified number' without going on to specify it for each league! Anyone know the correct number? 28 for Elite League (even though there are 36 League Matches) 24 for PL (Includes League Cup this year) ATB Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 28 for Elite League (even though there are 36 League Matches) 24 for PL (Includes League Cup this year) ATB Dave Thanks Dave - so no change in terms of number despite the format changes in both leagues. Out of interest is there an officially source for the info given it is not in the 2014 regs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Thanks Dave - so no change in terms of number despite the format changes in both leagues. Out of interest is there an officially source for the info given it is not in the 2014 regs? Just ring up the duty BSPA MC member and you'll get whatever answer suits your situation!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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