screm Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Strange that the hosts are given free licence to put in the team who they see fit and the rest need to use qualifying averages based on number of appearances for their team... I agree with you but in a meeting like this the host club has to do reasonably well,or at least the potential to do well.A Leicester team of reserves and 2nd string riders would turn many home fans away from turning up. Ive posted long and hard many times about this,please bring back the qualifiers BSPA,it gives everyone the same chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness68 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I think that you and the Leicester fans are missing people's point, people are not annoyed with Leicester they are annoyed with the BSPA who have given Leicester special dispensation to use riders who if they would have been riding for another club who have been ruled ineligible, that is why there are plenty of the Newport fans complaining because they have a team from their present 1to 7 that would have qualified. You say that the BSPA are not aware of Leicester intentions and the team that they are going to use, well the teams have been posted on the BSPA website so I suggest that they are fully aware and given Leicester permission to put the team out. Where can I find a copy of the rule that pertain to: 1) How teams are selected for the Premier 4’s? 2) How riders are selected for the individual team for such an event? (And not a case of what has been done in the past as that is only a precedent but the published rules on selection.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Where can I find a copy of the rule that pertain to: 1) How teams are selected for the Premier 4’s? 2) How riders are selected for the individual team for such an event? (And not a case of what has been done in the past as that is only a precedent but the published rules on selection.) Stop trying to justify the actions of the idiots that are the BSPA. Nobody is having a dig at The lions-its not there fault that they are being allowed to use whatever riders they like and make a mockery of the sport, its the governing body (BSPA). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness68 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I am not trying to justify the actions of the BSPA, it was a polite request for information from someone who is new to the sport and trying to develop her own view on the situation. If you do actually know where I can find out the rules that support or undermine the decision made by the BSPA I would be eternally grateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I am not trying to justify the actions of the BSPA, it was a polite request for information from someone who is new to the sport and trying to develop her own view on the situation. If you do actually know where I can find out the rules that support or undermine the decision made by the BSPA I would be eternally grateful. Sorry ,i thought you was trying to justify the actions of the BSPA As for the rule book,try the Beano or just make up your own version of them, they do it every chance they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Early predictions Group 1 - Edinburgh winners.Runner up Leicester,or if Travis turns up Somerset,if Heffers rides definitely Somerset. Group 2 - Workington winners. Runner up Redcar. Winners - Workington.Runners up Redcar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I agree with you but in a meeting like this the host club has to do reasonably well,or at least the potential to do well.A Leicester team of reserves and 2nd string riders would turn many home fans away from turning up. Ive posted long and hard many times about this,please bring back the qualifiers BSPA,it gives everyone the same chance. Then hold it at an EL track. You cant bend the rules to suit the home side, simple as that. It completely stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I think that you and the Leicester fans are missing people's point, people are not annoyed with Leicester they are annoyed with the BSPA who have given Leicester special dispensation to use riders who if they would have been riding for another club who have been ruled ineligible, that is why there are plenty of the Newport fans complaining because they have a team from their present 1to 7 that would have qualified. You say that the BSPA are not aware of Leicester intentions and the team that they are going to use, well the teams have been posted on the BSPA website so I suggest that they are fully aware and given Leicester permission to put the team out. I'm not . the Bspa did not offer the special dispensation they were asked for it , so the blame is equally divided , between leicester for expecting special treatment anfd the Bspa for grantiung it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 the Bspa did not offer the special dispensation they were asked for it Is that official? And I mean from either the BSPA or Leicester Speedway Ltd. Not just so and so who knows so and so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Leicester must also accept the blame for suggesting the rules should not apply to them . How do you know this happened?? You are reknowned for making such statements without evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 How do you know this happened?? You are reknowned for making such statements without evidence. thats quite correct , so assuming leicester did not ask and the bspa did not offer , how did special dispensation get granted ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 thats quite correct , so assuming leicester did not ask and the bspa did not offer , how did special dispensation get granted ? We don't know and possibly will never know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) There needs to be transparency. As often (always?) with the BSPA there is little, with the result that there is nothing but speculation. The rights and wrongs of allowing Leicester a wild card place in the event are debatable, but there is no right or wrong answer. It happens in some other areas of speedway. If this was being held at a neutral venue there would be no need for a wild card. I was surprised to see Leicester in the fours, given our awful record. There are more deserving teams. I do see the point in including Leicester to boost the attendance. However, I'd have preferred to see a qualifying competition giving all the PL teams a fair chance to reach the final. Personally, I question the BSPA's haste in awarding Beaumont Park the competition at this stage in the stadium's development. If the crowd is as large as on the opening night a lot of people will have to accept a restricted view. And if it rains there will be mud everywhere. Clearly Leicester have been allowed to bend the rules in order to field a competitive team. Someone must have suggested it. Maybe the BSPA offered it in a display of largesse, or maybe Leicester asked for it. Either way, having granted Leicester a place in the event, and given Leicester's unusual circumstances (has any other team ever replaced its top three riders halfway through the season?), there seems little option but to allow the Lions to use their new riders. But I think it's only fair the other teams should also be allowed to select from their current line-up with no restrictions. The lack of transparency only serves to antagonise those who have lost out, and does nothing to dispel any implication that Leicester have somehow been treated more favourably. It's a pity. The fours should be the showpiece event of the PL season. Instead, even before it starts it has been shrouded in controversy due to the poor organisation of the BSPA. Edited July 26, 2011 by Leicester Lion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 There needs to be transparency. As often (always?) with the BSPA there is little, with the result that there is nothing but speculation. The rights and wrongs of allowing Leicester a wild card place in the event are debatable, but there is no right or wrong answer. It happens in some other areas of speedway. If this was being held at a neutral venue there would be no need for a wild card. I was surprised to see Leicester in the fours, given our awful record. There are more deserving teams. I do see the point in including Leicester to boost the attendance. However, I'd have preferred to see a qualifying competition giving all the PL teams a fair chance to reach the final. Personally, I question the BSPA's haste in awarding Beaumont Park the competition at this stage in the stadium's development. If the crowd is as large as on the opening night a lot of people will have to accept a restricted view. And if it rains there will be mud everywhere. Clearly Leicester have been allowed to bend the rules in order to field a competitive team. Someone must have suggested it. Maybe the BSPA offered it in a display of largesse, or maybe Leicester asked for it. Either way, having granted Leicester a place in the event, and given Leicester's unusual circumstances (has any other team ever replaced its top three riders halfway through the season?), there seems little option but to allow the Lions to use their new riders. But I think it's only fair the other teams should also be allowed to select from their current line-up with no restrictions. The lack of transparency only serves to antagonise those who have lost out, and does nothing to dispel any implication that Leicester have somehow been treated more favourably. It's a pity. The fours should be the showpiece event of the PL season. Instead, even before it starts it has been shrouded in controversy due to the poor organisation of the BSPA. Nice one L.L. a balanced view as ever . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometsfan2k4 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 What time does this meeting start?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 What time does this meeting start?? Start time is 5pm. I still ask the question of whether we got it because no other team could/were willing to fit it in. Given that the neutral venue that traditionally held it nearly didn't start the season as well. Also no speedway venue is truly neutral anyway. Many riders double up at Elite and National tracks and if anything Leicester is probably as neutral as it gets considering most teams have only visited once! I happen to agree that it makes things look amateurish as usual but then I think that as long as somebody has ridden for and has their registration or whatever held by the team in question they should be allowed to ride anyway. Semi -finals would be better but how many tracks would willingly stage or take part in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Start time is 5pm. I still ask the question of whether we got it because no other team could/were willing to fit it in. Given that the neutral venue that traditionally held it nearly didn't start the season as well. Also no speedway venue is truly neutral anyway. Many riders double up at Elite and National tracks and if anything Leicester is probably as neutral as it gets considering most teams have only visited once! I happen to agree that it makes things look amateurish as usual but then I think that as long as somebody has ridden for and has their registration or whatever held by the team in question they should be allowed to ride anyway. Semi -finals would be better but how many tracks would willingly stage or take part in it? There would be no shortage of takers for a meeting that has in the past few years become a major event for the premier league. an event that runs in august does not need a venue announcing in march , and awarding a prestige event to a stadium that was only half finished was yet more stupidity from the idiots at rugby , the cutoff dates for these competitions are there for a reason , to stop teams massaging averages to give themselves a better chance of winning .they might as well do away with cutoff dates now as the decision to bend the rules means that a new precedent has been set and next year struggling teams will be expecting the same favours from the bspa . from an outsiders view speedway must rank as about as professional as a sunday morning football league , what a joke . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'm not . the Bspa did not offer the special dispensation they were asked for it , so the blame is equally divided , between leicester for expecting special treatment anfd the Bspa for grantiung it Typical response from a Cov fan. If Leicester asked the BSPA for permission then it didn't have to be granted. How many special favours did Cov ask for to put their toys back in the pram before the start of the season? Any way, as you don't even go to Leicester why are you worrying about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'm not . the Bspa did not offer the special dispensation they were asked for it , so the blame is equally divided , between leicester for expecting special treatment anfd the Bspa for grantiung it Do you know that for a fact, does anyone know actually for a fact. You do seem very obsessed with the going on's at Leicester speedway. You do appear to be hell bent on stirring things up when Leicester are mentioned even down to appearing to stir things about a post I ut on the Leicester v Sheffield thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainlion Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) There would be no shortage of takers for a meeting that has in the past few years become a major event for the premier league. an event that runs in august does not need a venue announcing in march , and awarding a prestige event to a stadium that was only half finished was yet more stupidity from the idiots at rugby , the cutoff dates for these competitions are there for a reason , to stop teams massaging averages to give themselves a better chance of winning .they might as well do away with cutoff dates now as the decision to bend the rules means that a new precedent has been set and next year struggling teams will be expecting the same favours from the bspa . from an outsiders view speedway must rank as about as professional as a sunday morning football league , what a joke . You've over stepped it here speedibee I've ran football teams at various levels for over 20 years and believe the military precision local level football is run at would far out do many professional bodies as well as the BSPA Newport and Berwick should count themselves lucky not to be involved in what until this nation hosts the olympics is the biggest joke ever think of the money their fans will save not travelling hundreds of miles to watch the gate and go rubbish BP throws up heat After heat no much better putting the money on a couple of months broadband to come on forums And moan As a Lions fan I'm glad we have a decent team to track is it fair no. should it be at an elite league stadium yes and the top 8 teams yes but I don't make the rules and by the looks of this the best bet would be to get next years fours sorted out by a junior football club close to Belle Vues new track Edited July 27, 2011 by bornagainlion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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