Pinny Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 It was confirmed to me last week that Leicester are unable to use Nemo and Karlson as will not have rode enough matches by the meeting date. The team will likely be Bager,Bondarenko,Oliver,Graverson and Wright as reserve. There was also some doubt on Lasse Bjerre as meant to be riding in Poland If bager is riding then Doyle, Sedgmen and Gjedde should be able to. All 3 signed for Newport way before Bager and have ridden in more meetings for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 No Rye House Rockets, which is a blessing, cos now have an excuse not to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Not suprised Newcastle arnt in it with half a team, would rather someone else give it a go rather than us making up the numbers.....The communication between the Bspa and the fans is nothing short of appauling tho, for Christ sake just tell us the criteria for qualifying at the start of the season instead of keeping us constantly in the dark and treating the sports MOST important people like sh!t......for once.....please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4life Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 I think it's obvious why Newport and Berwick are not in the fours and it's because their teams at that time didn't have their new signings riding enough meetings. Ipswich seem to be in due to Lemon's absence. Not sure whether Sweetman would be eligible for Glasgow as Grajczonek seems to be the qualifying rider as of 1/7/11. Equally Leicester may have to track a team of reserves!! Correct, Alden hasn't ridden enough meetings. Having said that even if he had, we still wouldn't have qualified probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Im sure there will be some kind if subsection in the rulebook that covers the Leicester situation very nicely.IMO if Newport get into the Fours they should be able to use their best 4. Wonder if the BSPA have ever thought of qualifiers for the Fours,you never know they may be popular meetings. The Northern promoters used to try to get a return for them every year, but the Southern promoters said they didn't have the same interest and that the meetings were too costly to stage. Even an offer of 'well you nomiate yours and we'll hold our qualifying meetings' was always voted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainlion Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) It was confirmed to me last week that Leicester are unable to use Nemo and Karlson as will not have rode enough matches by the meeting date. The team will likely be Bager,Bondarenko,Oliver,Graverson and Wright as reserve. There was also some doubt on Lasse Bjerre as meant to be riding in Poland Surely Bager (with only 4 rides all after 1/7/11) couldn't be considered if the before 1/7/11 criteria is being applied and Charles Wright only completed 3 meetings before 1/7/11 that leaves Bondarenko,Oliver,Graverson so the hosts will be doing a Russia SWC event 2 then Edited July 20, 2011 by bornagainlion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 The issue over the Leicester team is a simple one, in my opinion. As a quartet, their top four haven't ridden enough matches for their averages to count towards qualification, and the riders that have wouldn't see their total reach the cut-off. HOWEVER, Leicester are hosts, and that's where the issue lies - for a track as new as Leicester to hold an event without a home team would be silly at best, and so the team is in. Is it fair? Probably not, but don't blame Leicester. And if they win? Good luck to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) The Northern promoters used to try to get a return for them every year, but the Southern promoters said they didn't have the same interest and that the meetings were too costly to stage. Even an offer of 'well you nomiate yours and we'll hold our qualifying meetings' was always voted out. How would 14 go into 4? Glasgow, Edinburgh, Berwick, Workington Newcastle, Redcar, Scunthorpe, Sheffield Plymouth, Somerset, Newport, ? Ipswich, Rye House, Leicester, ? Perhaps the two gaps could be filled with forward-thinking NL teams - Dudley and Mildenhall? Or even weakened EL teams, such as Swindon & Lakeside (who wouldn't be able to qualify)? Edited July 20, 2011 by alan_boon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) The issue over the Leicester team is a simple one, in my opinion. As a quartet, their top four haven't ridden enough matches for their averages to count towards qualification, and the riders that have wouldn't see their total reach the cut-off. HOWEVER, Leicester are hosts, and that's where the issue lies - for a track as new as Leicester to hold an event without a home team would be silly at best, and so the team is in. Is it fair? Probably not, but don't blame Leicester. And if they win? Good luck to them. It was inevitable someone would post that Leicester are the hosts , so the rules don't apply to them . To be honest , i really don't care too much about this event so if Leicester have their strongest foursome - as you say , good luck to them . How would 14 go into 4? Glasgow, Edinburgh, Berwick, Workington Newcastle, Redcar, Scunthorpe, Sheffield Plymouth, Somerset, Newport, ? Ipswich, Rye House, Leicester, ? Perhaps the two gaps could be filled with forward-thinking NL teams - Dudley and Mildenhall? Or even weakened EL teams, such as Swindon & Lakeside (who wouldn't be able to qualify)? Leicester would qualify automatically as hosts , so wouldn't be involved in the qualifiers which would leave - North Glasgow , Edinburgh , Berwick , Newcastle Midlandsish - Workington , Redcar , Scunthorpe , Sheffield South - Plymouth , Somerset , Newport , Rye House , Ipswich . The southern section would see each side race a home fixture , but miss one of the away tracks . Top two from each group , plus the best third placed team would join Leicester in the final . Edited July 20, 2011 by Paulco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 2 groups of 5 and 1 of 4. In the groups of 5 each team will miss 1 of the away legs. It'd make sense t try an get the teams with a clash of race day to not ride at each others tracks, eg Somerset wouldn't ride at Plymouth and vica-versa. Same with Redcar and Sheffield plus Berwick/Workington or Newcastle/Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 No Rye House Rockets, which is a blessing, cos now have an excuse not to go! The Witches are there, but i dont need an excuse not to go to watch "gate and go" at Leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 2 groups of 5 and 1 of 4. In the groups of 5 each team will miss 1 of the away legs. It'd make sense t try an get the teams with a clash of race day to not ride at each others tracks, eg Somerset wouldn't ride at Plymouth and vica-versa. Same with Redcar and Sheffield plus Berwick/Workington or Newcastle/Glasgow. Which does seems abit pointless, that a Southern group would take place and Somerset/Plymouth wouldn't welcome eachother to the other places track, sort of ruining the object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 It was done in 1999 and was a complete success. I remember going to Reading and Exeter for the qualifiers and the crowds were big and each meeting was well fought. The issue that is stopping them from coming back is that a lot of promotions/riders dont want the extra meetings to organise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceyccfc1966 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Speedway and the BSPA need to wake up and smell the coffee. The fours and the cut offs is a fiasco. No wonder folk are leaving the sport...No one really understands what's happening in the sport.They change the rules like changing of guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 There lies the biggest problem . Most Newport fans might be upset , but can kind of understand that maybe Gjedde , Doyle and Sedgmen might have been signed too late for them to be included . However if the hosts are then allowed to use Neiminen , Bagar and Karlsson it flies in the face of all known qualifying criteria . Ok nobody wants to force the hosts to field a ridiculously weak foursome , but it's a big problem for the organisers - though it's one of their own making . But no doubt they'll just stick their heads in the sand and ignore any difficult questions . I don't know why so many people are getting hot under the collar over the make up of the teams - we don't know who is riding for which teams yet. Lets see who and then get ourselves worked up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceyccfc1966 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 It was done in 1999 and was a complete success. I remember going to Reading and Exeter for the qualifiers and the crowds were big and each meeting was well fought. The issue that is stopping them from coming back is that a lot of promotions/riders dont want the extra meetings to organise. Yes groups always seemed popular attracting good crowds. League , Knockout cup and fours and forget this second half season racing which is a complete mess and waste of time Imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman123 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 The Witches are there, but i dont need an excuse not to go to watch "gate and go" at Leicester. So which 'gate and go' track would u like it on then, your Ipswich gate and go track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Don't think I will be going to this 'Mickey Mouse' event. Leicester should not be riding. Only the top 8 clubs should be involved who should be able to track any 4 riders irrespective of how many times they have ridden this season. Really think that a Leicester line up of Graversen, Bonderenko, Wright & Oliver or Morris will be so embarrasing to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman123 Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Don't think I will be going to this 'Mickey Mouse' event. Leicester should not be riding. Only the top 8 clubs should be involved who should be able to track any 4 riders irrespective of how many times they have ridden this season. Really think that a Leicester line up of Graversen, Bonderenko, Wright & Oliver or Morris will be so embarrasing to watch. well on top 4's now Leicester would be in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainlion Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Don't think I will be going to this 'Mickey Mouse' event. Leicester should not be riding. Only the top 8 clubs should be involved who should be able to track any 4 riders irrespective of how many times they have ridden this season. Really think that a Leicester line up of Graversen, Bonderenko, Wright & Oliver or Morris will be so embarrasing to watch. Apparently it could be even more embarrassing than the Russian team event 2 SWC as only Jlo and Graversen would be able to track for the Lions at present Whatever the critiera someone is always going to be against it but I think it's generally accepted in most sports that the hosts have some involvment or perhaps we should do away with wild cards at GP's and just pick the next best riders in the world. I imagine the British Championship wouldn't hold as much interest if winning didn't give you a ride at Cardiff Edited July 21, 2011 by bornagainlion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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