Old Silencers In Poland!

[HBKPCNBob]

Why should Polish riders use something which is just bad and dangerous?

There is so far nothing that confirms the new silencers are either. Until the likes of Crump, Pedersen, Hancock etc complain that they are dangerous, I cannot see only 1 Nation or a select group of riders from that Nation changing it for all. Maybe this silencer is revealling a bigger problem in the sport?? and had another motive not just to conqeur noise levels.

Edited March 18, 2011 by pcnorwood

[Dekker]

End for big money for foreign riders ...

Or maybe most of good riders ***** their federations and start in Poland?

For 10% its big money..... the rest not so, if they get paid. Be interesting to see how the riders would survive in Poland alone and how many would want that.

[Vicar]

I really don't get your point of view, Mateusz. How anyone could say "I don't care about speedway in other countries"? Don't be so rude... Poland is actually the best in speedway, but I doesn't mean that other countries doesn't mean anything.

 

But the new silencers are still quite dangerous. Zengota get serious injury, many riders in Poland already lost their engines due to explosions. Many riders are complaining on them, not only from Poland. Try to understand this.

 

Personally I don't think there will be any bans. Federations will get common opinion in silencers soon.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Vicar

[Mateusz]

For 10% its big money..... the rest not so, if they get paid. Be interesting to see how the riders would survive in Poland alone and how many would want that.

Well, they would definitely survive without the British league.

I really don't get your point of view, Mateusz. How anyone could say "I don't care about speedway in other countries"? Don't be so rude... Poland is actually the best in speedway, but I doesn't mean that other countries doesn't mean anything.

 

But the new silencers are still quite dangerous. Zengota get serious injury, many riders in Poland already lost their engines due to explosions. Many riders are complaining on them, not only from Poland. Try to understand this.

 

Personally I don't think there will be any bans. Federations will get common opinion in silencers soon.

I care but if someone has problems with some noise levels then what you can do?

 

At least the real speedway may survive in Poland while in a couple of years other countries will have speedway on bikes with electric engines or something.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Mateusz

[Reliant Robin]

Well, they would definitely survive without the British league.

 

I care but if someone has problems with some noise levels then what you can do?

 

At least the real speedway may survive in Poland while in a couple of years other countries will have speedway on bikes with electric engines or something.

 

I agree that they would survive without the British. It is going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

 

If PZM are banning riders with a Polish License from racing in foreign leagues, then Poland could end up an all Polish League with no Brits, Swedes, Danes etc etc. Now whilst all of these riders, of course, will want to be racing in Poland, the banning of riders from racing in foreign countries can work both ways.

 

As has been said, a Club in Sweden has recently been closed down due to noise issues so I can see them wanting to stick with the new silencers.

 

Another of Speedway's very own soap operas could be unfolding!

Edited March 18, 2011 by Reliant Robin

[Deano]

How long will it be before the noise issue hits Poland.... It will eventually..

[21st century heathen]

Mateusz - I'm quite shocked by your "We're the best and nobody else maters" attitude. :'(

[aslan]

There is so far nothing that confirms the new silencers are either. Until the likes of Crump, Pedersen, Hancock etc complain that they are dangerous, I cannot see only 1 Nation or a select group of riders from that Nation changing it for all. Maybe this silencer is revealling a bigger problem in the sport?? and had another motive not just to conqeur noise levels.

 

Pedersen said that they were life threatening and Crump has said that it's ok for him to ride alone on the new silencer but that he is scared to race with 3 other people on the track at the same time. Greg Hancock tried the Prodrive in the autumn 2009 and said that there were no problems at all. He then later took that back when he opened his engine in the spring 2010 and it was destroyed.

All of them are against the new silencer but say that they won't protest since they've signed an agreement to ride on them in the GP:s.

[Mateusz]

How long will it be before the noise issue hits Poland.... It will eventually..

It won't...?

 

Seriously - you'd be shocked how much everyone here is against these new silencers and any noise limits - riders, promoters, coaches, sponsors etc. Ask anyone that has anything to say in the Polish speedway (except some corrupted and FIM related oldies from PZM) if they have any problem with the noise and the only answer you'll hear is that nobody have ever complained about the noise here.

 

Mateusz - I'm quite shocked by your "We're the best and nobody else maters" attitude. :'(

No that nobody else matters but someone has to do something with the crap and farce these new silencers are. And from what I have been reading on speedway websites it looks like British, Swedish and Danish just agree with whatever they are told by FIM. While over here it's been a massive discussion between speedway authorities, riders, promoters and fans over the silencers for months now... We just don't enjoy taking every rubbish we are given and forced to use by some guys from FIM whose knowledge about speedway is comparable to my knowledge about cricket

 

Pedersen said that they were life threatening and Crump has said that it's ok for him to ride alone on the new silencer but that he is scared to race with 3 other people on the track at the same time. Greg Hancock tried the Prodrive in the autumn 2009 and said that there were no problems at all. He then later took that back when he opened his engine in the spring 2010 and it was destroyed.

All of them are against the new silencer but say that they won't protest since they've signed an agreement to ride on them in the GP:s.

And Emil has to sit quiet since he was given the wild card by them. But I bet that if you asked him off the record whether he'd like to use the new silencers or the old type ones he wouldn't hesitate and pick the stuff they had been using for ages and none used to have any problems with.

[DutchGrasstrack]

Nice try from the PZM though, but the SWEMO has decided today to still only allow the new silencers. So that means alot of Poles have to resign from their Swedish club now.

[Mateusz]

Have just read FIM are to make the (final?) decision until March 23rd.

[pawel115]

I for one dont like the new silencers they just sound wrong and why do people complain about noise dont get that one at all its not like speedway started yesterday its been around for decades in Sweden and UK and people start complaining just now I lived in Rzeszow thats my home town track it is located fairly close to center of city, and no one ever complained because it was too loud or other nonsense like that and trust me you can hear if there is a match in large part of that city.You know the saying if it aint broken dont fix it.

Edited March 18, 2011 by pawel115

[f-s-p]

I was sitting on my computer all tuesday compiling speedway news and read from the Spar (by Wojtech Szoltycek) that Poland was the last from the big three to agree on using the new silencers. A huge monkey dropped from my shoulders but luckily it had not hit the ground yet, when the poles brought this on us.

 

I see two options: 1) The poles and PZM banned from all racing worldwide. This could get tricky, as PZM controls car racing as well in Poland (I think?). 2) FIM go back on their word AGAIN, look like total fools to the outsider/lose all credibility/have no right or means to introduce rules like this again...

 

Many are saying they sound daft, thats not a reason to forget them. Kolodziejs bikes for this season look awful, but no one is banning him from the GP's...

[Deano]

It won't...?

 

Seriously - you'd be shocked how much everyone here is against these new silencers and any noise limits - riders, promoters, coaches, sponsors etc. Ask anyone that has anything to say in the Polish speedway (except some corrupted and FIM related oldies from PZM) if they have any problem with the noise and the only answer you'll hear is that nobody have ever complained about the noise here.

 

 

 

No complaints from fans, riders, promoters, coaches or sponsors etc regarding speedway noise in the UK. It's people living nearby throwing european human rights rules into the air and giving councils a hard time... councils then find it easier to either not allow a new track to open or make it difficult for existing tracks to operated. It is no coincidence that every other speedway nation is affected by noise.... It's not just speedway by the way, it's all motorsport. We want speedway around for a long time, being anti-social and noisy will kill it eventually. I hope a nimby doesn't move into a Polish tracks back yard one day, I wonder how it would stand up in a european court if the Poles aren't using an accredited form of noise reduction.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Polish riders are also forbidden to ride in foreign leagues where new silencers are obligatory.

 

I very much doubt they have a legal leg to stand on with that.

[PolskiZuzel]

... It's people living nearby throwing european human rights rules into the air and giving councils a hard time... councils then find it easier to either not allow a new track to open or make it difficult for existing tracks to operated.

 

From what I know, British speedway/greyhound racing tracks are usually located far from town's centres. Whilst in Poland they are right in and yet people don't complain. If you ever been at the Bydgoszcz staged GP round you must have noticed tennant tower blocks around the Polonia Stadium. People living in those flat there flock on their balconies and windows during every speedway meeting. They have the best view and they enjoy it. It seems to me the British people got fed up with speedway and have other things to do. Like complaining, complaining and complaining!

[iris123]

From what I know, British speedway/greyhound racing tracks are usually located far from town's centres. Whilst in Poland they are right in and yet people don't complain. If you ever been at the Bydgoszcz staged GP round you must have noticed tennant tower blocks around the Polonia Stadium. People living in those flat there flock on their balconies and windows during every speedway meeting. They have the best view and they enjoy it. It seems to me the British people got fed up with speedway and have other things to do. Like complaining, complaining and complaining!

If only the issue was a British one.....unfortunatelly it isn't.As someone has posted it seems Sweden also has problems and a number of tracks in Germany also have had or are still having problems.In a lot of ways Poland is still playing "catch up" on modernity and all that goes with it.I also wonder if the Polish speedway authorities are suffering a little from the blinkered view that they are the b all and end all of speedway that caused Britain to suffer when they thought back in the 60s and 70s that they could call the shots.Times change and the sport needs to change with them

 

And most of the speedway/greyhound tracks i have been to might not be in the centre of town,but they were in fairly residential areas(Wimbledon+Oxford for instance)

[Mateusz]

They have the best view and they enjoy it. It seems to me the British people got fed up with speedway and have other things to do. Like complaining, complaining and complaining!

Got the same impression after last two days of discussing the whole silencer issue here.

 

It's disappointing that instead of fighting for their beloved sport some people just seem to give up so easily and agree on such solutions as these new silencers... And I'm wondering what's next - because after a couple of years the noise levels may be lowered again and eventually, in 10 or 20 years, speedway authorities in UK or Sweden might really decide to switch on electric engines, as I was joking earlier. Or just shut down the whole business... Because what's the point actually - it's noisy, it's not environmental friendly. Who needs speedway - we may sit at home instead watching x-factor (just not too loudly, remember!)... with no noise outside coming from that bl..dy speedway stadium.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Mateusz

[Mateusz]

If only the issue was a British one.....unfortunatelly it isn't.As someone has posted it seems Sweden also has problems and a number of tracks in Germany also have had or are still having problems.In a lot of ways Poland is still playing "catch up" on modernity and all that goes with it.I also wonder if the Polish speedway authorities are suffering a little from the blinkered view that they are the b all and end all of speedway that caused Britain to suffer when they thought back in the 60s and 70s that they could call the shots.Times change and the sport needs to change with them

 

And most of the speedway/greyhound tracks i have been to might not be in the centre of town,but they were in fairly residential areas(Wimbledon+Oxford for instance)

What about football matches in Germany (or England)? 80 thousand fans at the stadium in Gelsenkirchen at a local derby match. Do they all sit quiet? Are there any noise limits set by FIFA? Do people who live nearby such stadium complain on the noise coming from them?

Edited March 18, 2011 by Mateusz

[Deano]

Like complaining, complaining and complaining!

 

Yes...

 

For example.. I have two one hundred year old oak trees at the very bottom of my garden. Thirty years ago they built a row of new houses approximately 20ft from the trees (doh!). Four years ago someone bought one of these houses at the bottom of my garden (probably at reduced market value because of the trees).... Would you believe it, every year I get a letter through my front door asking me to reduce the height of the trees due to the fact they get no sunlight in their house. I'm told it's unbearable, they seek legal advice everytime and god help me if anything falls and damages their property or their health, the trees have now out grown their environment and should be halved. At the moment you can imagine what my response is, (the sentence is very short), but any change in the law could change that. Speedway here is no different.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Deano