leoni Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I know exactly how you feel June, I too am also gutted, I have tried my very best to support the venture, but I just see it as us losing our saints, and in no way can I bring myself to support Sheffield If Sheffield were sharing their Tigers team with us, then maybe they'd know how it feels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 But it's purely for financial reasons! if the club would've carried on losing money with the Saints then they may be no saints at all and i think it's unfair to expect the management to try and keep two clubs afloat. I think some of you need to realize just how lucky you are you've got your own track, training track, the scorpions and still get a bit of national league racing as well, i bet plenty of fans who're without a teams would kill to be in the position your in , but it just isn't enough is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leoni Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I recognise all of what you are saying, but I can't help the way that I feel, as I'm sure you would in the same position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I recognise all of what you are saying, but I can't help the way that I feel, as I'm sure you would in the same position.  I'd be absolutely fine with it as i would have the tigers to follow week in, week out and still get a small amount of national racing. I think the main reason I'm frustrated is because there's been a perfectly good reason set out and whether we like it or lump it, they're a business first.  At this time I'm just glad I've got 1 team to follow! and I'm very grateful of our own management for keeping the Tigers going  I have a lot of respect for Rob Godfrey, he's built a successful speedway venue from the ground up and one of the most exciting speedway tracks. But at a time when speedway isn't as profitable as it once was and when everyone's feeling the pinch to save money then it's understandable for him to take the help from Sheffield and take some weight off his shoulders. I'm sure it's not a decision he wanted to make but it'll probably be for the best in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'd be absolutely fine with it as i would have the tigers to follow week in, week out and still get a small amount of national racing. I think the main reason I'm frustrated is because there's been a perfectly good reason set out and whether we like it or lump it, they're a business first.  At this time I'm just glad I've got 1 team to follow! and I'm very grateful of our own management for keeping the Tigers going  I have a lot of respect for Rob Godfrey, he's built a successful speedway venue from the ground up and one of the most exciting speedway tracks. But at a time when speedway isn't as profitable as it once was and when everyone's feeling the pinch to save money then it's understandable for him to take the help from Sheffield and take some weight off his shoulders. I'm sure it's not a decision he wanted to make but it'll probably be for the best in the long run.  You will have to find us some assets now SKJ!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Just to add a bit more spice to the above 'argument' it's officially Sheffield to race tomorrow as BV are at Owlerton in a double-header with IOW later on in the season. Anyway as a fan of neither Scunny or Sheffield I can certainly sympathise with what June & Leoni has said (especially with 6 of the 7 being Saints) but if it financially keeps a NL side running, and develops some quality riders then surely that is the most important? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I think that we need to look at the history between Scunthorpe and Sheffield. Â In years gone by when Sheffield were a British League team and Scunthorpe National League Sheffield sent riders to ride for Scunny, who from that era were Scunny legends, Phil White and Nicky Allott spring to mind, and I am sure there were others but those two are the main ones. Since the formation of the Scorpions in the National League Sheffield have also sent riders for Scorpions in the National League, and wonder how many Scorpion fans celebrated the Pairs win in 2006, when they won with two Sheffield riders Cooper and Compton. Moving onto the Scorpions in the Premier League, Sheffield have provided Scunthorpe 6 of their assets since 2008, Richard Hall, Benji Compton, Emiliano Sanchez, Andy Moore, Joel Parsons and Ben Wilson. Moving on to the present, this is an excellent chance for the lads who are in the team, not only are they riding two totally different tracks, but I believe Sheffield are entering a team in the Midland League, which will give further opportunties to lower end riders in the team, and racing other tracks that are entered in the league I believe that likes of Leicester and Birmingham are also entered so more racing opportunites for young riders, which is what the youngsters need more than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I dont disgree with what your saying spinking but that is the system. If you do not require an asset to ride for your own team you loan them out. Riders need to earn a living! You mention Phil White, one of my favourites. I have watched all those riders mentioned. Other Saints/Stags was loaned from other teams too, Infact isn't that what Scunny are now doing with Richie & Ashley, Byron, Scott, Luke, possibly Magnus too. However, it is very obvious that Mr Machin and Mr Godfrey are really good buddies and possibly have thoughts, feelings that differ to some of us. In the past we have come in useful to Sheffield with our track for team practice, so its not exactly all one way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I dont disgree with what your saying spinking but that is the system. If you do not require an asset to ride for your own team you loan them out. Riders need to earn a living! You mention Phil White, one of my favourites. I have watched all those riders mentioned. Other Saints/Stags was loaned from other teams too, Infact isn't that what Scunny are now doing with Richie & Ashley, Byron, Scott, Luke, possibly Magnus too. However, it is very obvious that Mr Machin and Mr Godfrey are really good buddies and possibly have thoughts, feelings that differ to some of us. In the past we have come in useful to Sheffield with our track for team practice, so its not exactly all one way Of course June, I track back to riders that Sheffield brought in from the past from Scunthorpe Keith Evans and Tony Boyle are two that spring to mind. The clubs have a long history of working together, long before Neil Machin and Rob Godfrey came onto the scene. The thing is that the National League (Conference as it was then) is not new to Sheffield we did have a very fine set up with the Prowlers who were very much the Saints of that time, but because we did not have the facilities and have the ownership of the stadium that Scunthorpe have and finances mean't that the Prowlers had to go. I don't know what the agreement that the two promotions have over signing riders, I am sure that Sheffield might pick up the odd rider, but down to the facilities and amount of track time that a rider might get at Scuthorpe that the vast majority will choose Scunthorpe. I can fully understand the worries of some of the Scunthorpe fans, but Neil is type of Promoter who thinks very similar to Rob Godfrey, and always encourages young British rider. Just a thought maybe call the joint team simply "Saints", keeps it identity from Scunthorpe but does not have to change the name from Scunthorpe Saints to Sheffield Prowlers dependent on where they are riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) I think that we need to look at the history between Scunthorpe and Sheffield. Â In years gone by when Sheffield were a British League team and Scunthorpe National League Sheffield sent riders to ride for Scunny, who from that era were Scunny legends, Phil White and Nicky Allott spring to mind, and I am sure there were others but those two are the main ones. Since the formation of the Scorpions in the National League Sheffield have also sent riders for Scorpions in the National League, and wonder how many Scorpion fans celebrated the Pairs win in 2006, when they won with two Sheffield riders Cooper and Compton. Moving onto the Scorpions in the Premier League, Sheffield have provided Scunthorpe 6 of their assets since 2008, Richard Hall, Benji Compton, Emiliano Sanchez, Andy Moore, Joel Parsons and Ben Wilson. Moving on to the present, this is an excellent chance for the lads who are in the team, not only are they riding two totally different tracks, but I believe Sheffield are entering a team in the Midland League, which will give further opportunties to lower end riders in the team, and racing other tracks that are entered in the league I believe that likes of Leicester and Birmingham are also entered so more racing opportunites for young riders, which is what the youngsters need more than anything else. Â Â Not too much history then..tbh the past is exactly that, past,gone, forgotten about. Sheffield means nothing to me, never has and never will. Likewise Scunthorpe will mean very little to Sheffield fans. Â I believe this venture is perhaps more to do with track availability than simply finance..obviously finance will enter the equation but with more stockcar nights planned this year it will inevitably mean less nights for speedway. If thats the case fine, the promotion have to do whats best for their business, if that means running a few home meetings elsewhere..so be it, I've no problem with that. However, for some die hard scunny fans (and I know a few), news of this merger has been little hard to swallow. Some of whom have sponsored or helped in little ways towards riders costs etc, to them it feels like they've losing their own. Its been difficult, its been disheartening to the point that they're battling to recapture any enthusiasm they once had for speedway....sad. Â So when our lads line up at Belle Vue, call them whatever, i'll be sat infront of my laptop cheering on the mighty Saints.. Edited March 22, 2011 by Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I know that alot of scunny fans will travel to Sheffield to support the saints but i was wondering if many from Sheffield will take the short trip to scunny to support this,i hope so,i really do  I wonder how much a bus would cost to Sheffield and scunny???maybe somthing worth looking at i a know of a few who would like to go but maybe lack the transport or funds to do so Car share via the forums is also an idea that should be tried,the saints deserve support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I know that alot of scunny fans will travel to Sheffield to support the saints but i was wondering if many from Sheffield will take the short trip to scunny to support this,i hope so,i really do  I wonder how much a bus would cost to Sheffield and scunny???maybe somthing worth looking at i a know of a few who would like to go but maybe lack the transport or funds to do so Car share via the forums is also an idea that should be tried,the saints deserve support Would be hoping to get over for at least one of the matches, will certainly be supporting the joint team at Sheffield. I would imagine that the there will a decent contigent from Sheffield as Coops is very popular with the Sheffield crowd, and Ash The Works Birks is proving to be very popular as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypilgrim Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Best of luck to all the riders for the first National League match (and indeed, any League match)of 2011. Â Hope the Scunfield Prowler-Saints can get the season off to a flying start and take the first step to title glory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I hope all the Scunny fans & Sheffield fans as Montie says "Get behind the team" Â For whatever reason the decision was made its done. Â The riders need & deserve your support. Â I think the team is in for a succesful season & silverware is definitely an oppurtunity. Â Get behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I'll be at the 2 double headers at Sheffield, but being a die hard Buxton fan, I have to pledge my allegiance on Sundays to the Peak District (plus that's where daddy is driving to...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadsideAce Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Glorious start to the day here in the sunny North West and the forecast promises more of the same throughout the day. Â Really looking forward to tonights' match and seeing the relaunched Colts on track. Great "derbies" ahead against Buxton and Stoke and renewing old rivalries with Cradley (Dudley). Â The National League is a wonderful league filled with enthusiastic youngsters looking to make their mark in the sport. Takes me back to the Division 2/National League days of the 70's when I first caught the speedway bug. Â I only wish I could be as enthusuastic about the Elite League start next week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshirePudding Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 i'll be making a couple of trips over to scunny to see Ash and Coops ride. and of course give my support to the team. think Scunny fans main worry is that Sheffield will turn riders like Ash Birks into Tigers, which i know is hard to take but Birks will probably not want to return to Scunthorpe in the future as he is a Sheff lad and is looking like becoming a fans favourite. And Sheffield is a more successful team in the PL. Â will be going to the meeting tonight, no silencers either! thank the lord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 . think Scunny fans main worry is that Sheffield will turn riders like Ash Birks into Tigers, which i know is hard to take but Birks will probably not want to return to Scunthorpe in the future as he is a Sheff lad and is looking like becoming a fans favourite. Â 20K in cash will soften the blow im sure!!! Â Adds a bit of interest to the season these youungster too for me riding for othr clubs,Richie included, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) 20K in cash will soften the blow im sure!!! Â Adds a bit of interest to the season these youungster too for me riding for othr clubs,Richie included, I am not so sure, I think that he probably stay as an asset of Scunthorpe club, riders transfering to other clubs is becoming a rarity these days more likely that if the lad does decided that Sheffield is more suited to him then Scunny will take a loan fee for him. That could provide Mr Godfrey with a nice sideline for him as he has an abundance of young talent on his books. Edited March 23, 2011 by spin king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I am not so sure, I think that he probably stay as an asset of Scunthorpe club, riders transfering to other clubs is becoming a rarity these days more likely that if the lad does decided that Sheffield is more suited to him then Scunny will take a loan fee for him. That could provide Mr Godfrey with a nice sideline for him as he has an abundance of young talent on his books. Â Will the tigers call on a menber of the saints this weekend for there trip to Rye House with Ash Birks riding at stoke? i hope he shows som faith and picks one rather than a rider from elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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