manchesterpaul Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Just a quickie question directed to our polish friends on here (or polish speakers). In the rider averages what do the column headings d, u, w, t. each stand for? I remember working it out last year but can't find my scribblings lol. I'm presuming 'd' is going to mean excluded and one of them will certainly equate to engine failure. I've just dumped all the worlds top leagues rider averages into a spreadsheet and am having fun filtering records by all sorts of parameters, not least by individual rider. Nine times out of ten a rider has his UK performance higher than his swedish and then his polish average lesser still. Guess pretty clear evidence for the 1.2.3. quality of the leagues being Poland, Sweden, UK. (and yes i'm waiting in for a delivery which is why i'm idling away on my computer lol) Edited March 1, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 D = Engine failure U = Fall W = Excluded T = Tapes exclusion Z/Z = Rider Replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Sincere thanks for a speedy reply, much appreciated. dziękuję Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 So if we are talking about abbreviations I have question about some English. What is difference between retired and engine failure? How do you know which one to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 So if we are talking about abbreviations I have question about some English. What is difference between retired and engine failure? How do you know which one to use? It can't always be proved one way or the other. Generally, if a rider is in a point-scoring position when he suddenly slows, it's an engine failure - 'EF' If he's at the back and not getting near a point, it's usually classed as a retirement - 'R' or 'Ret' Certain riders have, over the years, had a habit of finding a mysterious engine problem when they're at the back. People will often choose to write '0' by their name in the programme, in a 'you're not fooling anyone' kind of statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 And I'd guess we classify broken chains and punctures as "retirements". I use "Ret" for any failure to finish, and the Danish results site does the same. I'd say it's just down to personal preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 It can't always be proved one way or the other. Generally, if a rider is in a point-scoring position when he suddenly slows, it's an engine failure - 'EF' If he's at the back and not getting near a point, it's usually classed as a retirement - 'R' or 'Ret' Certain riders have, over the years, had a habit of finding a mysterious engine problem when they're at the back. People will often choose to write '0' by their name in the programme, in a 'you're not fooling anyone' kind of statement Lewis Bridger almost INfamously scored a programme of Letters rather than numbers in one meeting at Monmore. I think it read F F Ex 1 and this was riding at number 1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Thanks for answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 So if we are talking about abbreviations I have question about some English. What is difference between retired and engine failure? How do you know which one to use? Officially there is no such thing as an engine failure. The Rule book provides for the following programme markings: 20. Appendix E. Result Sheet / Programme Marking non-finishers F for a fall FD for a fall and disqualification from the re-run of the Heat FN for a fall and non-starter in the re-run of the Heat R for a retirement Disqualifications E for a Starting Gate offence EH where handicap is used for a Starting Offence N2 for exceeding the "two minute" allowance XD for Dangerous or Foul Riding XO for other reasons (not considered Dangerous or Foul Riding) rider replaced RR when a Rider Replacement is used N when a Reserve Replacement is used NS When a Team Member or Reserve is not replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Never met anyone who uses half of those abbreviations!! Don't forget Ex for exclusion (or the unique Disx- only in Speedway--"disclusion"- a mixture of exclusion- used by all - & "disqualified" which our dear BSPA tried to foist on us!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ja-Jacek Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) A little supplement. June01 wrote: D = Engine failure U = Fall W = Excluded T = Tapes exclusion Z/Z = Rider Replacement and it's correct, but you can also see- u/w or su/w. The first means fall and excluded, the socond one caused in fall of rival and excluded. Edited March 4, 2011 by Ja-Jacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 A little supplement. June01 wrote: D = Engine failure U = Fall W = Excluded T = Tapes exclusion Z/Z = Rider Replacement and it's correct, but you can also see- u/w or su/w. The first means fall and excluded, the socond one caused in fall of rival and excluded. Also: m - 2 minutes exclusion w2x - exclusion due to crossing by to wheels inside line of the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Vicar, are you sure about engine failures? I remember seeing a lot of "EF" in British speedway reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Vicar, are you sure about engine failures? I remember seeing a lot of "EF" in British speedway reports. I didn't say anything about engine failures. I was just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 are you sure about engine failures? I remember seeing a lot of "EF" in British speedway reports. Officially, Engine Failures (EF's) don't exist anymore in the UK But I believe most British fans will write EF in their programme, whenever a rider is forced to stop because of his bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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