RAPIDFIRE Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Scunthorpe Wednesday Saint Steelers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 It's not a difficult concept to understand, the team are there to bring riders on, the name doesn't matter too much really, however if calling them Sheffield when they race at Sheffield and Scunthorpe when they race at Scunthorpe means more fans come through the door then that's the best way forward simply. It would be good to see the Hull name revived, it may help with pushes for a new stadium for the Vikings, it really depends how fickle certain fans at both clubs are and won't attend because of the name of the side rather than supporting the youngsters who could be the future of British speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 If I am one of those fickle fans Rocket ben so be it. I have always spoken out for the youngsters and I'm 100% behind them getting the best opportunities to get to the top of our sport. If this new system does that for them I'll be happy. I'll just miss out on some of the meetings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 It's not a difficult concept to understand, the team are there to bring riders on, the name doesn't matter too much really, however if calling them Sheffield when they race at Sheffield and Scunthorpe when they race at Scunthorpe means more fans come through the door then that's the best way forward simply. It would be good to see the Hull name revived, it may help with pushes for a new stadium for the Vikings, it really depends how fickle certain fans at both clubs are and won't attend because of the name of the side rather than supporting the youngsters who could be the future of British speedway. Exactly what i think Ben. I wonder how many will really care about the name come end of season if the team has a chance of finishing in top spot or winning the NL in the play offs. Either way scunny/sheffield or whatever they end up being called will have a great chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 If I am one of those fickle fans Rocket ben so be it. I have always spoken out for the youngsters and I'm 100% behind them getting the best opportunities to get to the top of our sport. If this new system does that for them I'll be happy. I'll just miss out on some of the meetings! It was just a generality June, I'm not doubting your support, I've seen on this section before you're always supporting the youngsters and that is what we all should do. I can see how you feel, we have the same situation with the Cobras now track sharing as the Hackney Hawks, i'll support the team at Rye as always, however I won't travel to Lakeside and pay £12 to watch because it isn't viable for me to do so, which is a shame because I always enjoy watching our National League meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 It was just a generality June, I'm not doubting your support, I've seen on this section before you're always supporting the youngsters and that is what we all should do. I can see how you feel, we have the same situation with the Cobras now track sharing as the Hackney Hawks, i'll support the team at Rye as always, however I won't travel to Lakeside and pay £12 to watch because it isn't viable for me to do so, which is a shame because I always enjoy watching our National League meetings. Thats it exactly and at the same time supporting the prem team, cost of petrol and admittance all too expensive! The N/L being my favourite tier of racing I am going to miss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Im sorry but yet again Im not getting this attachment with Hull to Scunthorpe or Sheffield except that they are the two closest geographical tracks, an example to me would be to change the Belle Vue NL team to say Bradford even though they dont race from there. I would love Hull to come back into the sport & I'm sure a lot of promotors would help them out if they had their own promotion & plans for a track. This situation is inherently different to say Dudley who have their own promotion & race at different tracks. Scunthorpe already have an existing team & the same promotion,there is no case for changing the name to Hull, of course Sheffield or Prowlers name may come into it in the future as this will give the fans something to cheer but I would say for now they are more interested in the riders than the name. Like June after following the Saints from inception I would prefer all things stay the same but I've also noticed the crowds drop off dramatically over the last 2 seasons, being a realist to the harsh realities of the current finaincial climate this joint venture to me makes more sense than having NO NL racing. There are also many positives to be gained from a Sheffield tie-up; notably the large track experience, the possibility if the crowds return for cup matches, the ability to get a decent number 1, losses reduced etc. I do realise this wont suit all but I just cant see how we could have carried on without heavy subsidies from the Stock cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Im sorry but yet again Im not getting this attachment with Hull to Scunthorpe or Sheffield except that they are the two closest geographical tracks, an example to me would be to change the Belle Vue NL team to say Bradford even though they dont race from there. I would love Hull to come back into the sport & I'm sure a lot of promotors would help them out if they had their own promotion & plans for a track. This situation is inherently different to say Dudley who have their own promotion & race at different tracks. Scunthorpe already have an existing team & the same promotion,there is no case for changing the name to Hull, of course Sheffield or Prowlers name may come into it in the future as this will give the fans something to cheer but I would say for now they are more interested in the riders than the name. Like June after following the Saints from inception I would prefer all things stay the same but I've also noticed the crowds drop off dramatically over the last 2 seasons, being a realist to the harsh realities of the current finaincial climate this joint venture to me makes more sense than having NO NL racing. There are also many positives to be gained from a Sheffield tie-up; notably the large track experience, the possibility if the crowds return for cup matches, the ability to get a decent number 1, losses reduced etc. I do realise this wont suit all but I just cant see how we could have carried on without heavy subsidies from the Stock cars. Exactly what I said last night - albeit I used Ellesmere Port as the example (much to the confusion of at least one befuddled cock-a-ney ) Presumably Neil Machin is looking for some form of sponsorship for his involvement & Rob Godfrey for his. How would it look if the latter went to the Saints current sponsor ( a local firm, I believe) & announced "oh, & they're called Hull now"??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Im sorry but yet again Im not getting this attachment with Hull to Scunthorpe or Sheffield except that they are the two closest geographical tracks, an example to me would be to change the Belle Vue NL team to say Bradford even though they dont race from there. I would love Hull to come back into the sport & I'm sure a lot of promotors would help them out if they had their own promotion & plans for a track. This situation is inherently different to say Dudley who have their own promotion & race at different tracks. Scunthorpe already have an existing team & the same promotion,there is no case for changing the name to Hull, of course Sheffield or Prowlers name may come into it in the future as this will give the fans something to cheer but I would say for now they are more interested in the riders than the name. Like June after following the Saints from inception I would prefer all things stay the same but I've also noticed the crowds drop off dramatically over the last 2 seasons, being a realist to the harsh realities of the current finaincial climate this joint venture to me makes more sense than having NO NL racing. There are also many positives to be gained from a Sheffield tie-up; notably the large track experience, the possibility if the crowds return for cup matches, the ability to get a decent number 1, losses reduced etc. I do realise this wont suit all but I just cant see how we could have carried on without heavy subsidies from the Stock cars. The idea of calling the team Hull originally came from myself and it was to give the team a single identity, as I could not see the team selling by calling it the Saints or the Prowlers. I had not thought of the idea of sharing the name of the team, which seems to be the best compromise at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Exactly what I said last night - albeit I used Ellesmere Port as the example (much to the confusion of at least one befuddled cock-a-ney ) Presumably Neil Machin is looking for some form of sponsorship for his involvement & Rob Godfrey for his. How would it look if the latter went to the Saints current sponsor ( a local firm, I believe) & announced "oh, & they're called Hull now"??? Jotun Paints headquarters is in Sandefjord, Norway, not too close to Scunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Slightly off topic; This situation is inherently different to say Dudley who have their own promotion actually WHO are the Dudley promotion ?? Yes Nigel Pearson is Chairman, backers are Wolverhampton Speedway <CVS> and were Birmingham <Gary Patchett> personally i am of the opinion NP was a suitable frontman for CVS who possibly thought Cradley fans would not accept him as Main man in resurecting the Heathens, and who pocketed the profits generated by Dudley in 2010 ??, will it be used to get our OWN Track. Edited February 21, 2011 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Jotun Paints headquarters is in Sandefjord, Norway, not too close to Scunny Yeah, & I'm pretty sure it'll be the local branch who are involved in the sponsorship - or maybe in the seventies when the top League was sponsored by Gulf Oil it was because Arabs were keen on speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunny1 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Jotun paints manufacturing plant is about 8 windmill lengths from the EWR as the crow flies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen79 Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Says in the SS the last rider has PL experience.. has to be Cooperman surely! Going back to the team building topic, surely Paul Cooper's average means he is definitely not the man in question. James Birkenshaw perhaps? Or for a curve ball, I know a certain former Tiger and Heathen was loving working with High Skidmore in the pits last season and itching to get back on a bike. Too late for a final firing of the Scud missile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Well scunny have over 12 points to play with so I dont see why Cooper couldnt fit?? he has a PL average of 5.12 (from the BSPA greensheets). I dont know how much it costs to have a PL rider at NL level racing, I really hope that Scunny can afford him if they want him & Cooper wants to do NL racing for a season as well. I think Rob was saying an announcement was to be made shortly, I'm keeping everything crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Well scunny have over 12 points to play with so I dont see why Cooper couldnt fit?? he has a PL average of 5.12 (from the BSPA greensheets). I dont know how much it costs to have a PL rider at NL level racing, I really hope that Scunny can afford him if they want him & Cooper wants to do NL racing for a season as well. I think Rob was saying an announcement was to be made shortly, I'm keeping everything crossed Do the 2.5% British reductions still count, if so Paul average is 4.99. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen79 Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 My understanding is that 4.00 is the upper PL average limit for a rider to compete in the National League. Is that not right? I thought that was why Charles Wright couldn't ride for Buxton last season and why Lee Smart can't ride for Dudley this season. Hence, excluding Paul Cooper from dropping down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 My understanding is that 4.00 is the upper PL average limit for a rider to compete in the National League. Is that not right? I thought that was why Charles Wright couldn't ride for Buxton last season and why Lee Smart can't ride for Dudley this season. Hence, excluding Paul Cooper from dropping down? Thanks for clearing that up for me Heathen, I am not that well up on the National League rulings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 The 4.00 Pl average limit is just for riders who are doubling up between the leagues. At the moment with not having a premier league spot that makes him eligable. not sure what happens if he started the season and then took a spot but think he would then have to only race in one. He would be ideal for the team has experience and will especially be helpfull for the home matches away at sheffield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Whether Paul becomes the number one or not remains to be seen, I think we need to remember the horrific injuries he sustained last year. It could take a while for Paul to get back to his best. I think any rider, particularly young brits, who's suffered career threatening injuries should at least be allowed the opportunity to regain confidence by riding in the National League....regardless of averages. Edited February 22, 2011 by Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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