Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Too right. It looks worse to a newcomer to say Sheffield face Buxton tonight after Scunthorpe rode at Buxton yesterday or however. I think you've misunderstood... This kind of daftness is EXACTLY what's being 'proposed'. All the sensible voice is saying is simply call the joint team , 'Scunthorpe/Sheffield' OR an alternative neutral single name... Swapping names is simply NOT remotely sensible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) think you've misunderstood... This kind of daftness is EXACTLY what's being 'proposed'. All the sensible voice is saying is simply call the joint team , 'Scunthorpe/Sheffield' OR an alternative neutral single name...Swapping names is simply NOT remotely sensible... I dont find the concept the least bit difficult to understand. There is also a precednet that occurred when Exeter and Newport shared a team in 1997 when they were the Western Warriors at Exeter and the Welsh Western Warriors at Newport. Not really sure that they specified anything about the away matches I always thought of them as the Western Warriors in any event. It seems to me that when sound Promoters (Scunthorpe and Sheffield) select the names that best suit their marketing and promotional strategies and their sponsors that you seem to think your programme material should be considered in order to make your explanations easier to describe. Let's be honest you only have to state what the situation is once and you can then cut and paste as you see fit from therein changing the names as necessary. Anyway you specialise in "Tea Parties". lol Malcolm Vasey Edited February 20, 2011 by Proud Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 And your words about Hackney are very misplaced; as trust me, there's a strong and well-backed campaign to restore a Speedway track to this part of East London.. Is it being publicised by the Freemasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 It seems to me that when sound Promoters (Scunthorpe and Sheffield) select the names that best suit their marketing and promotional strategies and their sponsors that you seem to think your programme material should be considered in order to make your explanations easier to describe. Exactly, a matter of priorities. Anyway, it'll help pad out the column, writing the 1st paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Is it being publicised by the Freemasons? Hmm, I suspect only you understand what you mean by this... I certainly don't... The overwhelmingly anti-London bias by so many on this Forum has been there for all to see from the Wimbledon relaunch time to now and doubtless beyond.. Funny enuff it has only ever worked one way, though that won't stop people saying it's Londoners who have a bad attitude to everything happening outside of the capital when it's patently evidenced on here that the opposite's the case!! As for Malc's comments, well as you say the Western Warriors branded themselves (very slightly...) differently as home teams; but away from home they were called by just the one name... If you honestly think prog writers and more to the point home fans are gonna to be bothered to differentiate between what semantic version of the combined Scunny-Sheff team are in town you're living in fantasy land!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypilgrim Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) It seems to me that when sound Promoters (Scunthorpe and Sheffield) select the names that best suit their marketing and promotional strategies and their sponsors that you seem to think your programme material should be considered in order to make your explanations easier to describe. Malcolm Vasey Quite right, Malcolm. The Saints have an established local sponsor (Jotun Paints, just up the road in Flixborough). The change of team name for Sheffield gives an opportunity for a South Yorkshire sponsor to add some very welcome extra funding. "Every Little Helps". Edited February 20, 2011 by Exiled Cuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Hmm, okay - though still a distinct absense of understanding by posters on here of the point about the selective use of the joint-name when riding as an away team. I bet you a lot of money that come the official BSPA and Star published fixtures, it shall ALWAYS be listed as Scunthorpe/Sheffield (or hopefully an agreed joint alternative name) and NEVER alternating on some complicated matrix between the two when riding as the away team... To do anything other would simply be far too confusing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunny1 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Can we get it right it is a Scunthorpe/Sheffield team first and foremost, not a Sheffield/Scunthorpe team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen79 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 I dont find the concept the least bit difficult to understand ... It seems to me that when sound Promoters (Scunthorpe and Sheffield) select the names that best suit their marketing and promotional strategies and their sponsors that you seem to think your programme material should be considered in order to make your explanations easier to describe. On the contrary, according to Neil Machin in this week's SStar, the name hasn't really been chosen. I quote: "We're still working on the team name and that's proving more difficult than we imagined". I'm not being dismissively critical and saying it just won't work. I think there is a difficult dilemma here and no perfect solution. Neither Sheffield nor Scunthorpe will want the team 'diluted' in name at home by becoming Sheffield/Scunthorpe (or would it be Scunthorpe/Sheffield?) but surely this has to be the most sensible decision when away. The idea of just ignoring the other club is not right in my opinion. Although one club name looks better (e.g. Hull or Doncaster), clearly that dilutes the club even more and I don't believe this should be considered as a way forward. Both Sheffield and Scunthorpe fans have to be embraced here or it won't work. And it has to be done properly too because the fans will see through anything else. Very few Stoke fans felt any part of 'Cradley and Stoke' in 1996, because it was basically Cradley riding their home matches at Loomer Road. Unfortunately, that meant that it was too far for enough Heathens fans to make the regular trip and the Potters fans weren't interested because it wasn't their team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 To do anything other would simply be far too confusing.. Only to you Derek. Malcolm Vasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Is it being publicised by the Freemasons? Hmm, I suspect only you understand what you mean by this... I certainly don't... The strongly back & well funded campaign to bring speedway back to East London seems to be garnering as much exposure as your average Freemasons lodge. (Not a great deal, in case you need more help) The overwhelmingly anti-London bias by so many on this Forum has been there for all to see from the Wimbledon relaunch time to now and doubtless beyond.. Funny enuff it has only ever worked one way, though that won't stop people saying it's Londoners who have a bad attitude to everything happening outside of the capital when it's patently evidenced on here that the opposite's the case!! Luv a duck! And you used "over-reacting" in my direction! At what point has there been any display of any "anti-London bias"? Dragging up a long defunct club name to pony it around two other tracks as some sort of seperate entity (when it reality it's Rye House in a different racejacket) appears to me to be plain daft - but no more daft than Belle Vue sharing out their NL matches under the name of Ellesmere Port. Anyway, some of my best frieds are cock-a-neys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 why not call them, The Saints of Sheffield /Scunthorpe For the Away fixture call them The Saints of Scunthorpe and Sheffield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Only to you Derek. Malcolm Vasey This is your problem Malcolm...: taking yourself down a cul de sac of having always to be right even when defending something that's not your idea. Virtually EVERYBODY (ie not just me...!) would find the entirely random jetisoning of one of the two joint names for away matches totally confusing and as h79 has just posted, totally wrong as a concept... I know you LOVE disagreeing with me but this time you're just doing it clearly for the sake of it - as this idea is clearly not only pants, it also patently ain't gonna happen... I applaud completely the idea of the joint team and I look forwward to seeing the Scunthorpe/Sheffield team riding next year. AAMOI I think Doncaster would indeed be an ideal name for such a team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 The strongly back & well funded campaign to bring speedway back to East London seems to be garnering as much exposure as your average Freemasons lodge. (Not a great deal, in case you need more help) ..... At what point has there been any display of any "anti-London bias"? Dragging up a long defunct club name to pony it around two other tracks as some sort of seperate entity (when it reality it's Rye House in a different racejacket) appears to me to be plain daft If you've not seen the hugely anti-London bias on the BSF I can only suggest you ain't be on here long!! For example check out any thread about a major venue in the capital being put forward to stage a GP or the like; or any suggestion - as indeed here, tangentially, about a campaign to bring back a London-based team... It may have escapaed your attention but in a part of London with a stronger background for Speedway than it has for any other activity (ie the Stratford-at-Bow/Hackney Wick area) not one but several potentially suitable sporting arenas are being built. All for use currently for just a five week period next year. If you don't think that this gives an opportunity for those of us who care and actually have positive thoughts about the sport, to argue for Speeedway to be part of a much needed 'legacy'- then you clearly have little vision or understanding. I didn't say it was well funded, I said it was well-backed and I can assure you, this it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Interesting (sort of) that you feel the need to sever the second part of my comment in order to suit your purposes before making your patronising comments. If you cared to read the GP threads you refer to, you would find that I'm in favour of a London staged GP, to the extent that if it came down to one meeting I think it would be better there than in the principality. Even oop north I'm fully aware of the building of West Ham's new ground - so, surely the 'Ammers would be more appropriate than the 'Awks- and secondary venues. Any form of motorsport wouldn't form part of the "Olympic Legacy" for obvious reasons, but that's another example of selective editing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 ... and NEVER alternating on some complicated matrix between the two .... Alternating between TWO ... complex matrix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Interesting (sort of) that you feel the need to sever the second part of my comment in order to suit your purposes before making your patronising comments. If you cared to read the GP threads you refer to, you would find that I'm in favour of a London staged GP, to the extent that if it came down to one meeting I think it would be better there than in the principality. Even oop north I'm fully aware of the building of West Ham's new ground - so, surely the 'Ammers would be more appropriate than the 'Awks- and secondary venues. Any form of motorsport wouldn't form part of the "Olympic Legacy" for obvious reasons, but that's another example of selective editing. Hmm, you obviously prefer to have your full posting quoted so here it is: The strongly back & well funded campaign to bring speedway back to East London seems to be garnering as much exposure as your average Freemasons lodge. (Not a great deal, in case you need more help) Luv a duck! And you used "over-reacting" in my direction! At what point has there been any display of any "anti-London bias"? Dragging up a long defunct club name to pony it around two other tracks as some sort of seperate entity (when it reality it's Rye House in a different racejacket) appears to me to be plain daft - but no more daft than Belle Vue sharing out their NL matches under the name of Ellesmere Port. Anyway, some of my best frieds are cock-a-neys Only bits 'edited' as you put it are the rather spurious (ie nowt to do with the discussion) bits about you suggesting it's me not you over-reacting and your observation about all your coc-a-ney (sic) pals! Plus a bit I didn't even understand about Ellesmere Port! But fair enuf - as I say if you want your whole post quoted next time so be it! Why shouldn't other (non-Olympic) sports be part of the Games' legacy..? I can assure you the London Olympics organisers and those in charge of the legacy have no such blinkered view.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Alternating between TWO ... complex matrix? Ironic that you complained about me editing your quote yet here you are AGAIN misquoting what I wrote!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 My take on this is that whatever name/names are decided the fans will watch, its another speedway fix through the weeks. There will also be Ashley Birks riding (I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Coops too) for the sheff fans to follow & the remainder for the Scunny fans. With the increased PL matches, the Scunny fans will although lose more NL home matches but gain or maintain the same number of combined (PL + NL) home matches. I dont know exactly how many people from each sets of fans who will travel both ways but I will be one of them, the Scorps will always be my first team but I am looking forward to watching the Saints/Prowlers at Sheffield too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 My take on this is that whatever name/names are decided the fans will watch, its another speedway fix through the weeks. There will also be Ashley Birks riding (I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Coops too) for the sheff fans to follow & the remainder for the Scunny fans. With the increased PL matches, the Scunny fans will although lose more NL home matches but gain or maintain the same number of combined (PL + NL) home matches. I dont know exactly how many people from each sets of fans who will travel both ways but I will be one of them, the Scorps will always be my first team but I am looking forward to watching the Saints/Prowlers at Sheffield too. Thats you easily pleased then Lewis. Me I'm still in shock. willnot/cannot support Scunny/Sheffield. what was our team I could get 100% behind. I will have to make do with our double headers and the updates to keep in touch with how the youngsters progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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