Sheffield & Scunthorpe Nl Team

[montie]

sorry but this makes a mockery of the NL,why did they just not go under the name of HULL at least it might generate interest from Vikings fans.

Thats easy they are not fron Hull what is a mockery is teams calling themselves names that they are not

[Fozzie4388]

Thats easy they are not fron Hull what is a mockery is teams calling themselves names that they are not

 

Got to agree with you on that one. As almost stated earlier in the topic thread.

[CrystalCastles]

What i find really interesting is that i have always thought all Scunny fans have always seemed to support the ideals that whats most important is whats best for british riders at NL level because Scunny's promotion have always supported the ideals of the NL since they started in the PL.

 

Scunny's promotion have now done whats best for there business going forward, and done something progressive for the riders & there development, rather than saying it was unaffordable.

 

The suggestion of running under Hull was a nice suggestion, & i can understand that if the team is succesful this year, then it may take the shine off it for some fans by running partially under Sheffields name.

But it would be a real shame if those fans who have actively supported the young riders dont support them because of a team name, when they could really achieve something special this year.

They need your support, and if they are succesful this year it will be a tremendous achievement for them, and a succes the fans who have supported them should share in, irrespective of that you shouldnt be any less proud of them whatever they achieve or wherever they finish.

Without the Scunny fans or promotion, some of these riders would never have had an opportunity, stick with them.

Edited February 11, 2011 by shirlmeister general

[IronScorpion]

I think this is a great idea regarding the use of 2 tracks for a NL team. Was it an idea, last year, put forward by Rob & Neil that brought Dudley back, racing at 2 tracks. This year we have the tie up between Lakeside & Rye for the Hackney Hawks.

 

Regarding the support of the Saints, double headers were always well supported & worth the money. Last year, the stand alone meetings for the Saints were poorly supported, & wrongly in my view, as the NL always gives the best entertainment.

 

Reading through this topic, there are only about a dozen who are posting on here & you will find a few Scunthorpe supporters that watch speedway in Sheffield for their own enjoyment, so, i would think, there would be a considerable contingent that would travel & car share. I travel in car & on bike so there are opportunities for others to travel with me & i know of others that travel also. Support for the Saints/Prowlers?, in Sheffield, would not be a problem.

[heathen79]

This is an unusual tie-up with lots of benefits, but I have to agree that the away match protocol is too bizarre. They should carry the joint Sheffield/Scunthorpe tag for away matches.

 

Anyway, no disrespect to Scunthorpe, which I enjoyed visiting last season, but I am hoping for Heathens at Owlerton this year!

 

This National League is getting better - now have possible trips to see the Heathens at Belle Vue, Sheffield and Stoke, plus riding against Hackney. Shame Peterborough and Coventry didn't join - it would almost feel like an old British League fixture list!

[Swift Saint]

orry but this makes a mockery of the NL,why did they just not go under the name of HULL at least it might generate interest from Vikings fans.

 

Sorry Ken it is not a mockery at all.

 

This is a fusion of two Clubs who want to do all that they can to develop British Speedway riders but minimise the financial risk to themseleves in doing so in these difficult times.

 

Why should the Scunthorpe supporters lose their Saints team when the side ride at the EWR in favour of something unrelated such as Hull or Doncaster. I know from my time at Scunthorpe that the Saints were a very popular part of the Club and some folks even preferred watching the Saints to the PL matches.

 

So let's not decry the efforts of two clubs that have put their heads together and developed a solution that they feel is commercially viable for them. The situation elsewhere ie Lakeside/Rye House may well be different and that is why the Hackney name has been chosen. The Clubs involved have again come up with a solution that they feel suits them and good luck to them.

 

I wonder if the sharing model will catch on it has been done at this level before in 1997 when Reading/Swindon, Newport/Exeter, Wolverhampton/Long Eaton and Ipswich/Kings Lynn had shared teams. I would have thought there could be a real possibility for Glasgow/Edinburgh and Berwick/Newcastle to share and maybe Birmingham/Coventry if we see the return of the Bees.

 

Mockery of the League - nothing that could provide all of these racing opportunities could possibly be described as that - indeed it could be the Saviour of the League.

 

And this shortage of rider everyone predicted. My phone never stops ringing with calls from riders without a team. To the extent that Dave Tattum and I converse almost daily about our plans and how various riders mught fit.

 

 

Malcolm Vasey

[CrystalCastles]

 

And this shortage of rider everyone predicted. My phone never stops ringing with calls from riders without a team. To the extent that Dave Tattum and I converse almost daily about our plans and how various riders mught fit.

 

 

Malcolm Vasey

 

Rest of your post was spot on Malcolm. But considering I've decided too take a bit of an interest in stokes side, I would just like too say well done so far the balance so far between everything is spot on, glad the phone hasn't stopped ringing I was sure that that would be the case. Good luck with the rest of the team, & I will look forward to seeing the potters at Newport in 2011.

Edited February 12, 2011 by shirlmeister general

[Bagpuss]

Does it really matter what the team is called at away matches? I think its easy to get tied up in too much protocol. What really matters is that young riders get the opportunity to race on an extra track and that the costs of running the team are spread out which surely reduces the chances of it disappearing.

[Ben91]

If this and what Rye and Lakeside are doing starts a trend of teams collaborating to run an NL side then it can only be a good thing, my concern wouldn't be over team names, more over what will happen when these teams produce riders who will be wanted by both clubs for the Premier League side, at the moment most of the Saints are Scunthorpe assets of course, but say for example Stefan comes through and is wanted to race PL, will he be an asset of Scunthorpe or Sheffield. This could cause clubs falling out and breaking up the partnerships which are being built.

[spin king]

If this and what Rye and Lakeside are doing starts a trend of teams collaborating to run an NL side then it can only be a good thing, my concern wouldn't be over team names, more over what will happen when these teams produce riders who will be wanted by both clubs for the Premier League side, at the moment most of the Saints are Scunthorpe assets of course, but say for example Stefan comes through and is wanted to race PL, will he be an asset of Scunthorpe or Sheffield. This could cause clubs falling out and breaking up the partnerships which are being built.

All riders sign to the Saints past and recent are assets of the Scunthorpe Promotion, and will stay that way.

As for any other rider signing for merger team they will have the option of signing for either Promotion.

The team at present will be made up of Scunthorpe assets, but Sheffield could sign up riders for the merger team with them possibly coming up for selection for the National League team.

Of course riders from the merger team would I imagine get preference to ride for any of the two clubs regardless to who they are contracted to.

[CrystalCastles]

Of course riders from the merger team would I imagine get preference to ride for any of the two clubs regardless to who they are contracted to.

I think that will be the case, anyway if there is two promotions that can make it work it will be sheffield's & scunny's.

 

Like your idea about coaching too. You can have all the ability in the world but that doesnt neccesarily make you a good coach.

I would imagine most riders who do training schools get better with doing it & coaching people, but are more suited to passing on and emparting there knowledge and skills than the ones that dont, but i think it would be good too have a system in place for riders too get into doing this & have support available to them.

 

The most important thing fok kids when starting riding is to make it pressure free, fun & for them to have people that they look upto coaching them.

[heathen79]

I would imagine the way it will work is that no new riders will be signed as assets of the 'merger club'. All new future riders will be signed as either Sheffield assets by the Sheffield promotion or Scunthorpe assets by the Scunthorpe promotion. Between them they will put together the National League team, based on a combination of their separate assets.

 

Granted, the key thing here is the development of young British riders and i acknowledge and support that fact. I hope that other similar ventures do encourage other clubs to double up for home fixtures and put more teams into the National League. However, I do find it odd that the league table will show the name Sheffield/Scunthorpe and yet the Heathens will ride home and away against either Sheffield OR Scunthorpe, but seemingly have no contact or interaction whatsoever with the other club.

 

Anyway, just the number one rider to announce for the team, and just about any average rider can be fitted in! I am intrigued as to who will lead the team.

Edited February 12, 2011 by heathen79

[YorkshirePudding]

Says in the SS the last rider has PL experience.. has to be Cooperman surely!

[heathen79]

Also says in Speedway Star now that the actual team name is not yet decided and seems they can't agree on it!

Edited February 20, 2011 by heathen79

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

Sorry Ken it is not a mockery at all.

 

This is a fusion of two Clubs who want to do all that they can to develop British Speedway riders but minimise the financial risk to themseleves in doing so in these difficult times.

 

 

The merged team idea is fine and as you say, a fine tradition of such arrangents in this division. I think the point Ken was picking up on was the utterly impracticable idea that when visiting opponents, the merged team shall either be called Sheffield or Scunny based entirely on which of the two tracks are going to or have already staged the corresponding fixture... That's a semantic nonsense!!!

[Backless]

No more nonsensical than Mildenhall competing in the away leg of their cup tie in essex & taking on the same opponents in hertfordshire in the league - what's Hackney got to do with it????

 

As is often cried on here, "How would you explain that to a newcomer? It makes a mockery of the sport - only in speedway "

 

At least the (seperate, stand alone) concern using the name of Dudley (not "Cradley")has been set up with the express intention of securing a new home in Dudley.

It's not some old-time misty-eyed nostalgia trip.

 

I wouldn't imagine that the people of Sheffield cheering on the Scunny Saints, or Lincolnshire folk shouting "C'mon Sheffield" at their own tracks.

 

So, Sheffield turn up at (say) Belle Vue & the reverse fixture is at Sheffield. Newport visit Scunthorpe & Scunthorpe are the visitors in Wales.

[Backless]

sorry but this makes a mockery of the NL,why did they just not go under the name of HULL at least it might generate interest from Vikings fans.

 

And kill off interest in Sheffield AND Scunthorpe.

Edited February 20, 2011 by Backless

[scunny1]

What has Hull got to do with it? It seems to me a regular supporter, that about 10 Hull fans bother to cross the bridge to watch the best racing in the country. If they want an identity let them set up a club in and around Hull (maybe Fozzie (superstar1 ) might bother to attend )Saints at the EWR, Prowlers, Cubs etc at Owlerton. Keeps both sets of fans happy supporting their own team ,even if that team is Scunthorpe Saints in disguise. Sheffield gain 4 extra meetings to fill their race day calendar,not convinced Scunny fans have gained anything but Rob, Neil and David know best- err maybe!!!

[NO BRAKES NIGEL]

No more nonsensical than Mildenhall competing in the away leg of their cup tie in essex & taking on the same opponents in hertfordshire in the league - what's Hackney got to do with it????

 

As is often cried on here, "How would you explain that to a newcomer? It makes a mockery of the sport - only in speedway "

 

At least the (seperate, stand alone) concern using the name of Dudley (not "Cradley")has been set up with the express intention of securing a new home in Dudley.

It's not some old-time misty-eyed nostalgia trip.

 

I wouldn't imagine that the people of Sheffield cheering on the Scunny Saints, or Lincolnshire folk shouting "C'mon Sheffield" at their own tracks.

 

So, Sheffield turn up at (say) Belle Vue & the reverse fixture is at Sheffield. Newport visit Scunthorpe & Scunthorpe are the visitors in Wales.

 

Too right. It looks worse to a newcomer to say Sheffield face Buxton tonight after Scunthorpe rode at Buxton yesterday or however.

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

No more nonsensical than Mildenhall competing in the away leg of their cup tie in essex & taking on the same opponents in hertfordshire in the league - what's Hackney got to do with it????

....

 

So, Sheffield turn up at (say) Belle Vue & the reverse fixture is at Sheffield. Newport visit Scunthorpe & Scunthorpe are the visitors in Wales.

 

You're over-reacting my friend - all I'm saying as someone who writes the 'visitors page' in a number of NL progs, is that I'd rather the home punters understood the visiting team was Sheffield/Scunthorpe than try and create some sort of a pretence that one week (in the League) the side the home team was facing was 'Sheffield' and then a fortnight later (in the Cup) the same team was 'Scunthorpe'...!

 

Not to mention the confusion caused should a rain off 'transfer' the home side across this semantic divide... I'm pefectly at ease with the concept of a side called Sheffield/Scunthorpe so surely that's fine generally isn't it...?! One team equals one name, surely..

 

And your words about Hackney are very misplaced; as trust me, there's a strong and well-backed campaign to restore a Speedway track to this part of East London..