little kelv Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 with the demise of at least 3 national leage clubs in the south of England, it is getting hard for young riders to even get a chance, It seems to me that there will be a very big void of riders in about 3-5 years as parents of these kids will find it harder to travel several hundred miles a couple of times a week with work and fuel costs etc. maybe its time for lager clubs from both elite and prem league to join up and do somthing along the lines of the new Hackney team. another idea to cut the cost to riders Ban the use of new rear tyres WHAT i hear you riders say, well at rear tyres set to be about £45 - £50 each and travel cost say £100, this will be a big saving to riders, there enough premier and elite clubs throwing tyres away that are well good enough for national league racing and for the greenies out there, less land fill, as nobody seems to know what is hapening with the new silencers again to cut cost wait untill 2012 to make them compulsary as these will then start to filter down from other leagues as they replace their equipment. and before all you guys out there say what a load of rubish just remember the national league was set up to develop new young talent and costs need to be kept as low as they can to keep the flow of british riders comming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 with the demise of at least 3 national leage clubs in the south of England, it is getting hard for young riders to even get a chance, It seems to me that there will be a very big void of riders in about 3-5 years as parents of these kids will find it harder to travel several hundred miles a couple of times a week with work and fuel costs etc. maybe its time for lager clubs from both elite and prem league to join up and do somthing along the lines of the new Hackney team. another idea to cut the cost to riders Ban the use of new rear tyres WHAT i hear you riders say, well at rear tyres set to be about £45 - £50 each and travel cost say £100, this will be a big saving to riders, there enough premier and elite clubs throwing tyres away that are well good enough for national league racing and for the greenies out there, less land fill, as nobody seems to know what is hapening with the new silencers again to cut cost wait untill 2012 to make them compulsary as these will then start to filter down from other leagues as they replace their equipment. and before all you guys out there say what a load of rubish just remember the national league was set up to develop new young talent and costs need to be kept as low as they can to keep the flow of british riders comming. A very sensible post. As it stands the only track in the NL covering the whole of the south of England is the Isle of Wight !! You then have the Hawks at Rye/Lakeside (sorry cant call them Hackney) covering London/Herts and now only Kings Lynn covering East Anglia (and I wonder if they stay EL for more than one season whether their NL team will stay). Where are the young riders of Kent, Sussex, Dorset etc going to race? With diesel costs as they are travelling 200+ miles to race is very expensive and then there are the costs as mentioned in the above post. I have serious concerns for the future, there are a number of people trying their best with the youngesters like Phil Morris, Neil Vatcher etc but this needs to come from the top and I fear that at the moment the infrastructure is just not in place. People complain about the young riders coming from other countries, but until we have the same 80cc, 125cc opportunities for young people to try the sport, in a cost effective way, then the sport we all love so much will continue its slow decine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) with the demise of at least 3 national leage clubs in the south of England, it is getting hard for young riders to even get a chance, It seems to me that there will be a very big void of riders in about 3-5 years as parents of these kids will find it harder to travel several hundred miles a couple of times a week with work and fuel costs etc. maybe its time for lager clubs from both elite and prem league to join up and do somthing along the lines of the new Hackney team. another idea to cut the cost to riders Ban the use of new rear tyres WHAT i hear you riders say, well at rear tyres set to be about £45 - £50 each and travel cost say £100, this will be a big saving to riders, there enough premier and elite clubs throwing tyres away that are well good enough for national league racing and for the greenies out there, less land fill, as nobody seems to know what is hapening with the new silencers again to cut cost wait untill 2012 to make them compulsary as these will then start to filter down from other leagues as they replace their equipment. and before all you guys out there say what a load of rubish just remember the national league was set up to develop new young talent and costs need to be kept as low as they can to keep the flow of british riders comming. Wrong of me to criticise, but I suspect that a lot of NL riders don't use new tyres anyway. I am sure his Dad will correct me, but I suspect the only time Oliver Rayson uses new tyres is on the rare occasions that I might buy him one. Edited January 27, 2011 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Maybe it's time to go black and run a semi-pro league? Using Iwade, Lydd, Mildenhall, Weymouth? Probably hugely unworkable, but an idea nonetheless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) I know that many NL riders will pick up tyres that are barely touched after EL and PL riders are permitted to discard them after one meeting! Read Simon Wiggs book and you'll learn that in his last season at Weymouth in the old NL in 1982 he done I think he said 4,5 or even as many as 6 meetings on the same tyre and this was when he was the best rider in that League! A previous poster suggested running a Black League featuring the likes of LYDD and WEYMOUTH! The problem with Weymouth is that agreement and/or even communication can't be reached with the owner of the track, nothing to do with the much maligned BSPA! Lydd is in the middle of nowhere with no facilities. It serves a good purpose as a training track but would not be viable as a League venue unless a lot of money was spent on improving facilities! Edited January 27, 2011 by 25yearfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I know that many NL riders will pick up tyres that are barely touched after EL and PL riders are permitted to discard them after one meeting! Read Simon Wiggs book and you'll learn that in his last season at Weymouth in the old NL in 1982 he done I think he said 4,5 or even as many as 6 meetings on the same tyre and this was when he was the best rider in that League! A previous poster suggested running a Black League featuring the likes of LYDD and WEYMOUTH! The problem with Weymouth is that agreement and/or even communication can't be reached with the owner of the track, nothing to do with the much maligned BSPA! Lydd is in the middle of nowhere with no facilities. It serves a good purpose as a training track but would not be viable as a League venue unless a lot of money was spent on improving facilities! I think you will find that a vast proportion of tyres discarded by EL/PL riders are no good for anything. The wear on the tyre does relate to how the tracks are prepared so that statement may not apply to all discarded tyres, but in reality there is often not enough tread or blocks left to be used safely. Th exception is if you can pick up GP tyres. Tyres are not made to last and are overpriced using a single source for supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I think you will find that a vast proportion of tyres discarded by EL/PL riders are no good for anything. The wear on the tyre does relate to how the tracks are prepared so that statement may not apply to all discarded tyres, but in reality there is often not enough tread or blocks left to be used safely. Th exception is if you can pick up GP tyres. Tyres are not made to last and are overpriced using a single source for supply. we use nothing but secondhand tyres discarded by el/pl riders and can usually find enough good tyres to keep us going through the nl season.honestly cannot believe that the tyres we get have been thrown away and goes to show how spoilt the pl/el riders are.we dont see the point in wasting money on a new tyre at nl level and anyway using them has not affected our results and thats the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 we use nothing but secondhand tyres discarded by el/pl riders and can usually find enough good tyres to keep us going through the nl season.honestly cannot believe that the tyres we get have been thrown away and goes to show how spoilt the pl/el riders are.we dont see the point in wasting money on a new tyre at nl level and anyway using them has not affected our results and thats the truth. I suppose that it is who gets there first. Save me some if you find some decent ones!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I suppose that it is who gets there first. Save me some if you find some decent ones!! ipswich always a good supply!never had much luck at lynn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian De Boise Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 OP has a good point here. The ownership/planning permissions/time restraints etc which bind a lot of British clubs mean training time is limited compared against the Poles, Danes and Swedes so it seems logical that senior clubs who might have difficulty funding a junior side should link up whether its to enter the National League or a step lower into the junior tournaments. If plenty of the senior sides signed up to this sort of arrangement they could even consider regionalising the National League to cut down on costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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