ash Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Disappointing to learn that yet again we are way under the limit, I don't see Strudwick getting a place away from Rye House unfortunately. Team is 0.81 under limit. Who would you have brought in to make that much of a difference? I thought my last two posts on this thread would have given that away! Strudwick in the team would have given us a stronger 3/4 pairing, especially away from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolly Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Why does Len persist with David Mason ? The only thing 'Magic' about him is that if he comes off the white line he disappears. I would have much preferred Lee Strudwick. Rest of the team looks OK I am happy to see Barry back, but last year he had god and bad meetings on the Rye track from what I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Why does Len persist with David Mason ? The only thing 'Magic' about him is that if he comes off the white line he disappears. I would have much preferred Lee Strudwick. Rest of the team looks OK I am happy to see Barry back, but last year he had god and bad meetings on the Rye track from what I remember. Ye gods! Methinks the respective managements involved in this project know what they are doing and they are the people charged with putting the Hawks side together! It is SO easy isn't it to come on this, and other forums, under a screen name and say what YOU think / would have preferred and that is only right and proper in a land of free speech, but at the end of the day what has been decided by those in charge goes. One last point, Barry is good but he's NOT as good as you have described him above - he'll admit that himself I'm sure! "God meetings???" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 i see that lakeside are charging £12 to get into hawks matches this season. that seems a lot if you have to buy a prog as well. some fans were saying £10 including racecard was too much at rye last year for nl matches. Agreed far too much for this level of the sport. Many complaints last year about the Rye House entrance fee last year and that was reflected in very poor crowd levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 It does seem a bit steep but bare in mind Lakeside have to pay rent for their stadium will be interesting to see Ryes admission prices.? Surely whether they pay rent or not is irrelevant? It's all about getting the punters through the door and these extreme prices will not do that If they can't afford to subsidise this level of the sport they shouldn't bother with it. After all they are supposed to be speculating to accumulate i.e find and benefit from new talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Ye gods! Methinks the respective managements involved in this project know what they are doing and they are the people charged with putting the Hawks side together! It is SO easy isn't it to come on this, and other forums, under a screen name and say what YOU think / would have preferred and that is only right and proper in a land of free speech, but at the end of the day what has been decided by those in charge goes. One last point, Barry is good but he's NOT as good as you have described him above - he'll admit that himself I'm sure! "God meetings???" It's the opinion of the paying customer. You make it sound as if we've said something absolutely terrible about David. No-one has said they won't support him, but there are two young riders out there (at least) in Halsey and Strudwick, who we could have used and would be better options and also they are riders who have a chance at a future with the Rockets and maybe even the Hammers at some point, I can't see Mason in the Elite League in future can you?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 To be fair to David Mason last year he had a severe medical problem.Hopefully that wont be a problem this season and David will have a much better year...The team looks solid hopefully the top end will strengthen as the younger riders improve through the season.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 It's the opinion of the paying customer. You make it sound as if we've said something absolutely terrible about David. No-one has said they won't support him, but there are two young riders out there (at least) in Halsey and Strudwick, who we could have used and would be better options and also they are riders who have a chance at a future with the Rockets and maybe even the Hammers at some point, I can't see Mason in the Elite League in future can you?... How dare you have an opinion!! £12.00 seems rather steep to me especially for a second team. If it were a standalone club then maybe not so bad, but only £4.00 cheaper than Elite League? Crowds will be poor IMO unless they are relying on the "romance" of the Acne name and expecting all that 'orrible lot to come out of the woodwork!! I might pop along occasionally to Hoddesdon to cheer the opposition, but doubt I will go to Arena despite driving past it 3 nights a week on my way home from work. A Wimbledon Fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 How dare you have an opinion!! £12.00 seems rather steep to me especially for a second team. If it were a standalone club then maybe not so bad, but only £4.00 cheaper than Elite League? Crowds will be poor IMO unless they are relying on the "romance" of the Acne name and expecting all that 'orrible lot to come out of the woodwork!! I might pop along occasionally to Hoddesdon to cheer the opposition, but doubt I will go to Arena despite driving past it 3 nights a week on my way home from work. A Wimbledon Fan. they never came out of the woodwork in 1991 or 1996 that's why they shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) It's the opinion of the paying customer. You make it sound as if we've said something absolutely terrible about David. No-one has said they won't support him, but there are two young riders out there (at least) in Halsey and Strudwick, who we could have used and would be better options and also they are riders who have a chance at a future with the Rockets and maybe even the Hammers at some point, I can't see Mason in the Elite League in future can you?... Ben the thing is you dont know if Danny and Lee even want to ride for the Hawks this season..People keep saying,,they should have done this,,He would be better than him..But they have no idea what is going on behind the scenes..It is easy to make asumptions ,but if you dont know the facts theres no point.... Edited February 15, 2011 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Ben the thing is you dont know if Danny and Lee even want to ride for the Hawks this season..People keep saying,,they should have done this,,He would be better than him..But they have no idea what is going on behind the scenes..It is easy to make asumptions ,but if you dont know the facts theres no point.... I understand that Waco, however Danny Halsey has been on this forum recently asking for a team spot, i'm sure if offered one with the Hawks he would have taken it. We all have teams we would preferred to have seen and that's all i'm saying. I'll support all seven riders who race for the Hawks including Magic Mason and I do hope he has a good season, I just can't see it, thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) I understand that Waco, however Danny Halsey has been on this forum recently asking for a team spot, i'm sure if offered one with the Hawks he would have taken it. We all have teams we would preferred to have seen and that's all i'm saying. I'll support all seven riders who race for the Hawks including Magic Mason and I do hope he has a good season, I just can't see it, thats all. I too hope Danny succeeds in finding a team spot this year but I believe there's a separate thread elsewhere on this forum concerning this so will leave it at that. As to your thoughts on how the Hawks side that has been announced will fare, well there's nothing like pre-season optimism is there?! How dare you have an opinion!! £12.00 seems rather steep to me especially for a second team. If it were a standalone club then maybe not so bad, but only £4.00 cheaper than Elite League? Crowds will be poor IMO unless they are relying on the "romance" of the Acne name and expecting all that 'orrible lot to come out of the woodwork!! I might pop along occasionally to Hoddesdon to cheer the opposition, but doubt I will go to Arena despite driving past it 3 nights a week on my way home from work. A Wimbledon Fan. Of course everybody is entitled to their opinion on any subject 'Blazeaway' whether it be subsequently proved or wrong - no one's saying otherwise as far as I can see. So bearing in mind the costs involved in staging a meeting at each individual venue, what is your own opinion on what you believe should be the correct admission structure? And, perhaps, your reasons for doubting that you will go to Arena-Essex? Edited February 15, 2011 by Bryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyy Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Pleased to see the FICKLES are still slding about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Afraid im guilty of not having that much knowledge about the younger NL riders so cant really comment too much on the team and their chances. David Mason i feel is an apt sort of signing in that the last time we saw a team racing from Hackney (1996) Magic was part of the setup their, his current average looks low but ive read on previous comment on this thread there is reason behind it and i think the idea will be for him and Barrie Evans to lead the side, realistically both are not likely to progress beyond the NL, fair to say they would have already reached stardom by now if they were going to but the National League with riders like Seemond Stephens and Mark Simmonds is a pretty competitive league because the stand alone clubs have to be just that little bit more attractive to bring people in. On the pricing side of things, ok its not exactly cheap as chips but the key will be how they price the program and concessions, for this league i hope a more cut price program can be made to keep costs down, two quid absolute max thus £14 overall, or a simply race card for a pound would be even better, the Elite is likely to be best part of £20 this season inc program, would also have to guess that both promotions would need to come to an agreement about pricing because you cant have both charging different amounts to see Hawks "home meetings" And finally we know the standard of racing at this level is good, more passing because of mistakes etc but the show also needs to be professional and just because its the NL doesnt mean we can do away with rider interviews etc not saying they are going to do this but in the past non EL meetings at Lakeside have been lacking in this department (no Geoff) love him or hate him he definitely adds to the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Pleased to see the FICKLES are still slding about i'll give vickle your regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I understand that Waco, however Danny Halsey has been on this forum recently asking for a team spot, i'm sure if offered one with the Hawks he would have taken it. We all have teams we would preferred to have seen and that's all i'm saying. I'll support all seven riders who race for the Hawks including Magic Mason and I do hope he has a good season, I just can't see it, thats all. I apreciate where your coming from and im all for the improving younger rider over the seasoned rider..but i believe Danny left Rye of his own accord ., and David is very good with helping the younger riders. Len takes all these things into account . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBBY Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Afraid im guilty of not having that much knowledge about the younger NL riders so cant really comment too much on the team and their chances. David Mason i feel is an apt sort of signing in that the last time we saw a team racing from Hackney (1996) Magic was part of the setup their, his current average looks low but ive read on previous comment on this thread there is reason behind it and i think the idea will be for him and Barrie Evans to lead the side, realistically both are not likely to progress beyond the NL, fair to say they would have already reached stardom by now if they were going to but the National League with riders like Seemond Stephens and Mark Simmonds is a pretty competitive league because the stand alone clubs have to be just that little bit more attractive to bring people in. On the pricing side of things, ok its not exactly cheap as chips but the key will be how they price the program and concessions, for this league i hope a more cut price program can be made to keep costs down, two quid absolute max thus £14 overall, or a simply race card for a pound would be even better, the Elite is likely to be best part of £20 this season inc program, would also have to guess that both promotions would need to come to an agreement about pricing because you cant have both charging different amounts to see Hawks "home meetings" And finally we know the standard of racing at this level is good, more passing because of mistakes etc but the show also needs to be professional and just because its the NL doesnt mean we can do away with rider interviews etc not saying they are going to do this but in the past non EL meetings at Lakeside have been lacking in this department (no Geoff) love him or hate him he definitely adds to the show. Non EL meetings in the past have been under the control of the BSPA (like the British under 21 final etc) and Lakeside promotion have no say in the matter. That is why Geoff doesn't do his bit on those nights. I agree with you though and hope that the presentation is just as good as normal.....I'm also hoping some nostalgic stuff can be done to get the old Hawks fans to come along regularly at Lakeside (even though I am a West Ham speedway Old Boy ) but starting the meeting with some music like the Magnificent Seven would be a good idea, as would some specific rider jingles for when they win important heats etc. I must admit I am really looking forward to seeing the NL team this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Ye gods! Methinks the respective managements involved in this project know what they are doing and they are the people charged with putting the Hawks side together! It is SO easy isn't it to come on this, and other forums, under a screen name and say what YOU think / would have preferred and that is only right and proper in a land of free speech, but at the end of the day what has been decided by those in charge goes. Hmm. "Ye gods" as you say.. In case you've not noticed the whole POINT of this Forum is that people who are, in 99.9% of cases NOT the people who run the sport or run a team, come on (in most cases using an 'screen name') and express their opinion..! Surely unless one accepts this as a concept (ie the expressing of differing views for the sake of debate and discussion) we truly may as well pack up having the BSF. . You're a very intelligent person Bryn and I love you madly, but it baffles me how you have such a blind spot to this most obvious of points!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Hmm. "Ye gods" as you say.. In case you've not noticed the whole POINT of this Forum is that people who are, in 99.9% of cases NOT the people who run the sport or run a team, come on (in most cases using an 'screen name') and express their opinion..! Surely unless one accepts this as a concept (ie the expressing of differing views for the sake of debate and discussion) we truly may as well pack up having the BSF. You're a very intelligent person Bryn and I love you madly, but it baffles me how you have such a blind spot to this most obvious of points!!!! You obviously haven't read what I've said in my post you are referring to Parsnips Old Fruit have you?! That was as follows: Ye gods! Methinks the respective managements involved in this project know what they are doing and they are the people charged with putting the Hawks side together! It is SO easy isn't it to come on this, and other forums, under a screen name and say what YOU think / would have preferred and that is only right and proper in a land of free speech, but at the end of the day what has been decided by those in charge goes. One last point, Barry is good but he's NOT as good as you have described him above - he'll admit that himself I'm sure! "God meetings???" Edited February 27, 2011 by Bryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 You obviously haven't read what I've said in my post you are referring to Parsnips Old Fruit have you?! That was as follows: ???? Sorry what do you mean..? Am I being very dim..? Is there some huge hidden irony in your earlier posting..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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