The Know Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 How people complain about seeing the same team again and again in the leagues yet some seem to have no probs watching the same set of riders every fortnight over 7 months in this competition, very odd! It's overkill! whats the differance. the elite does not have many top riders anymore. the gp does. its a differant track every gp and not the same one week in and week out. elite in the uk is rubbish and that is why i dont go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 elite in the uk is rubbish Don't forget to add "in your opinion"!! Elite league speedway is NOT rubbish in this country imo I personally want to do my little bit to keep speedway going in this country full stop, be it NL, PL or EL, you don't give a toss whether we have league speedway here or not, your perogative! I'd like to say that without british speedway there would be no bloody GP speedway but of course the Polish and Swedish argument would come into being, having said that there aren't many, if any, british and aussie riders who start their international careers in those countries so my argument would hold up as far as they are concerned. Keep chucking your money away on the GPs bloke, don't let them milk ya dry What's the name of your company again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Don't forget to add "in your opinion"!! Elite league speedway is NOT rubbish in this country imo I personally want to do my little bit to keep speedway going in this country full stop, be it NL, PL or EL, you don't give a toss whether we have league speedway here or not, your perogative! I'd like to say that without british speedway there would be no bloody GP speedway but of course the Polish and Swedish argument would come into being, having said that there aren't many, if any, british and aussie riders who start their international careers in those countries so my argument would hold up as far as they are concerned. Keep chucking your money away on the GPs bloke, don't let them milk ya dry What's the name of your company again? you crack me up bloke and i am not a cow to be milked either. as you say i have my opinion and you have yours. i have seen both sides of the fence and know what side i prefer to be on. lets hope ya bubble does not burst to soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 lets hope ya bubble does not burst to soon. If her bubble burst, eventually yours will too. The GPs could hardly survive if they had to start coughing over the going rate to the stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 If her bubble burst, eventually yours will too. The GPs could hardly survive if they had to start coughing over the going rate to the stars. Is it have a pop at me time ? I say it how i see it as others do. If my bubble bursts so be. The sgp is very well run and by people who dont stitch you up. The riders pay is ok but could be better. The thing is all the top riders want to be in it and would ride for free as they do in MX1 and MX2. Even ama supercrosss the winnings are low. All these riders have good sponsors so there not bothered about the prize money they want to be champion. bsi are building it up steady and made a nice 1.6 million profit last year so must be doing summit right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) elite in the uk is rubbish and that is why i dont go. We all choose our own poison, and it's certainly the case that the Elite League has daft rules and is poor value for money these days. However, watching the same riders over-and-over again bores me stupid, and a dull individual meeting can't even be enlivened with the tactical elements you have in team meetings. I did think the SGP circus was better last season, but 11 rounds is overkill. I also don't think it's that brilliantly run either - a 'rain-off' in an indoor stadium comes to mind.. bsi are building it up steady and made a nice 1.6 million profit last year so must be doing summit right They're leveraging the supposed prestige of the World Championship to get the competitors at a knock-down price, as well as using FIM prioritisation to get the optimal dates. Well done to IMG/BSI for exploiting this, but how the national speedway authorities allowed this state-of-affairs to pass is to their shame. 2-3 million quid going out the sport... Edited March 7, 2011 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 We all choose our own poison, and it's certainly the case that the Elite League has daft rules and is poor value for money these days. However, watching the same riders over-and-over again bores me stupid, and a dull individual meeting can't even be enlivened with the tactical elements you have in team meetings. I did think the SGP circus was better last season, but 11 rounds is overkill. I also don't think it's that brilliantly run either - a 'rain-off' in an indoor stadium comes to mind.. They're leveraging the supposed prestige of the World Championship to get the competitors at a knock-down price, as well as using FIM prioritisation to get the optimal dates. Well done to IMG/BSI for exploiting this, but how the national speedway authorities allowed this state-of-affairs to pass is to their shame. 2-3 million quid going out the sport... what is the answer,drop top riders and bring in others. all top motorsport has the same riders and drivers and lots of events. i think it runs well,yes a rain off indoors bit strange but was it a rain off i was the meeting sponsor with 20 clients there but hey ho they made it up for us for this. if it was british speedway it would of been on ya bike got ya cash sod off all motor cycle racing of gp level takes prioty and always will. stop blaming bsi for the crap state of speedway in the uk, if they were in control it would be bust by now.other sports work round it so why not speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Well I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 what is the answer,drop top riders and bring in others. all top motorsport has the same riders and drivers and lots of events. Different sports and different set-ups. In other motor sports, the world championships are largely standalone and self-sustaining and not pulling competitors out of other professional competitions. The likes F1 and MotoGP also pay premium rates for the competitors, probably the most in those disciplines, whereas that's not the case in speedway. stop blaming bsi for the crap state of speedway in the uk, if they were in control it would be bust by now. I don't blame BSI for it, but the setup is ridiculous. Sure the BSPA (and the PZM and SVEMO for that matter) are inept for allowing the situation to develop, but in virtually every other sport you can mention, the incumbent governing bodies financially benefit from the premier event in their sport. The FA benefits from the Football World Cup, the ECB benefits from the Cricket World Cup, yet how much does the BSPA or even ACU benefit from the SGP/SWC? As for how well BSI run matters, perhaps they do a better job than the BSPA, but how well they do with Reading when they actually had to pay market rates for the riders...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Well I love it. Yeah but what about the GP's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Yeah but what about the GP's? did make me grin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Different sports and different set-ups. In other motor sports, the world championships are largely standalone and self-sustaining and not pulling competitors out of other professional competitions. The likes F1 and MotoGP also pay premium rates for the competitors, probably the most in those disciplines, whereas that's not the case in speedway. I don't blame BSI for it, but the setup is ridiculous. Sure the BSPA (and the PZM and SVEMO for that matter) are inept for allowing the situation to develop, but in virtually every other sport you can mention, the incumbent governing bodies financially benefit from the premier event in their sport. The FA benefits from the Football World Cup, the ECB benefits from the Cricket World Cup, yet how much does the BSPA or even ACU benefit from the SGP/SWC? As for how well BSI run matters, perhaps they do a better job than the BSPA, but how well they do with Reading when they actually had to pay market rates for the riders...? it is the same, motocross is the prime example. countrys domestic racing lose out to the gp in exactly the same way. maybe if the bspa had looked further than there nose at the start it may be differant but its to late now, all they tried to do was hinder the sgp and now its going ok want a bit of the action. sgp is here to stay, can you say the same about brish speedway ? reading was good and the money was not the problem, john had a dislike for the bspa and also knew the track was closing and moved it on. thats good commercial sense to me. the people who bought it didnt have a clue as if they did they would of knew what was going to happen. dearest pound they ever spent i reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I don't blame BSI for it, but the setup is ridiculous. Sure the BSPA (and the PZM and SVEMO for that matter) are inept for allowing the situation to develop Perhaps Poland are doing something about it next season by limiting each Elite team to one GP rider and of course the Poles will come first, quite rightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) sgp is here to stay, can you say the same about brish speedway ? British speedway will linger on in some form or other, but the SGP wouldn't survive for long without the national leagues because the riders simply couldn't make a living out of what it pays. reading was good and the money was not the problem, john had a dislike for the bspa and also knew the track was closing and moved it on. thats good commercial sense to me. Looked like it was burning through a fortune from whatever angle you look at it. Nothing wrong in trying and things not working out, but it does put it all into perspective. Is running a clothes store really the next big thing though..? Edited March 9, 2011 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Blanchard Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) The Know - anyone that reads these pages on a regular basis knows that Trees will not be convinced that speedway will ever have a successful GP W/C individual series and that Humphrey Appleby likes to be negative about all things speedway racing in this country. GP’s, One off World Champs, League racing, the Speedway Star, - in fact anything apart from Go -karts - it seems that might make him a little more positive or animated. Edited March 9, 2011 by Jim Blanchard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 in fact anything apart from Go -karts - it seems that might make him a little more positive or animated. Not in the slightest - I could moan all day about the stupid amounts of money being spent on a motor sport disciple with almost no prize money. However, whilst we get nothing from the MSA, they are at least trying to fund the grassroots of the sport in their own hamfisted way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Blanchard Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Not in the slightest - I could moan all day about the stupid amounts of money being spent on a motor sport disciple with almost no prize money. However, whilst we get nothing from the MSA, they are at least trying to fund the grassroots of the sport in their own hamfisted way... Well, you do moan all day so instead of bragging about it - moan somewhere else. We got all the moaners we need thanks..This is a speedway forum that is trying to look on the positive side of a sport now and then - which you seem never capable of about any sport it seems… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Well, you do moan all day so instead of bragging about it - moan somewhere else. I'll post what I wish on a public forum. If you don't like people having a different opinion to you, then just ignore the comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'll post what I wish on a public forum. If you don't like people having a different opinion to you, then just ignore the comments. I support you 100% Humphrey. Don't worry - after THIS close Season I suspect that I will be classed as a 'moaner' too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Not in the slightest - I could moan all day about the stupid amounts of money being spent on a motor sport disciple with almost no prize money. However, whilst we get nothing from the MSA, they are at least trying to fund the grassroots of the sport in their own hamfisted way... is karting for people who dont have a fast road car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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