21st century heathen Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I presume that to mean that there ARE play-offs. The team that wins the play-off will be declared League Champions, but the team that finishes top of the league "will be handed some silverware" to mark their achievement in topping the league. Yes, I assume that too. This is the same as 2010. The Heathens received a trophy for topping the table but were not league champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen79 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Yes, I assume that too. This is the same as 2010. The Heathens received a trophy for topping the table but were not league champions. Yes, but I think we bought our own trophy, because winning the leage earned you nothing last year! As a stand-alone club we're looking at the following home fixtures: 8 League matches 1 National League Shield 1 Knock Out Cup + potential progress 1 Golden Hammer Individual 1 Challenge v USA Potential progress in Play-Offs So thats 12 definite. Rising up to a possible 16 with some success! Away trips as well as league, cup & playoffs will include NL Pairs & Fours (weather etc permitting this year!!) Would love to see an inter-league challenge ideally - if rules permitted this. Perhaps even against PL opposition at Monmore and then we could bring back Lee Smart and Micky Dyer for the occasion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iangnz Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 That is exactly right Jayne. Tier5 is for young people for a max of 2yrs, similar to the old Working Holiday Visa. Tier 2 is where you have to prove the 'foreigner' (do you really refer to NZ'ers as 'foreigners' these days?)is at the top of their sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen79 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 That is exactly right Jayne. Tier5 is for young people for a max of 2yrs, similar to the old Working Holiday Visa. Tier 2 is where you have to prove the 'foreigner' (do you really refer to NZ'ers as 'foreigners' these days?)is at the top of their sport. Surely the work permit rules do not matter anyway, as it is a league decision that riders will be British only (other than those with ancestry). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iangnz Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Surely the work permit rules do not matter anyway, as it is a league decision that riders will be British only (other than those with ancestry). That's right. The point was making was to dispell the rumour that it was the UK Border Agency rules that prohibit commonwealth riders (other than those with patriality) to ride in the NL. Under the tier 5 youth visa it is perfectly legal, end of story. You are right that then it becomes the decision of the NL promoters as they can allow whoever they like in their league. However, all they have done here is weaken the league, which will be of no help to the development of British riders at all. I was suprised by the number of posts on this topic supporting that view. A few 'foreigers' never has and never will stunt the development of British riders, the problem is when you allow your leagues to become over-run with them. Now, even some PL teams only have one Britih rider...that's where your problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 That is exactly right Jayne. Tier5 is for young people for a max of 2yrs, similar to the old Working Holiday Visa. So i take it all Commonwealth PL Second strings, and NL can only ride here for 2 years, then they have to go to Tier 2 ??, this is a bit of a minefield which the BSPA needs to tread carefully, especially if there are British riders out there who dont have a Team to ride for,because if the unemployed british riders decide to take this further, there could be some far reaching implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 So i take it all Commonwealth PL Second strings, and NL can only ride here for 2 years, then they have to go to Tier 2 ??, this is a bit of a minefield which the BSPA needs to tread carefully, especially if there are British riders out there who dont have a Team to ride for,because if the unemployed british riders decide to take this further, there could be some far reaching implications. No, the PL and EL are professional leagues and as such you cannot ride in those leagues on a tier 5 visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 2011 NATIONAL LEAGUE TUESDAY FEBRUARY 01, 2011 ... On the negative side an application was submitted by a potential promotion at Mildenhall but this was turned down.... How to dismiss a sad affair in one smug, off hand sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iangnz Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 So i take it all Commonwealth PL Second strings, and NL can only ride here for 2 years, then they have to go to Tier 2 ??, this is a bit of a minefield which the BSPA needs to tread carefully, especially if there are British riders out there who dont have a Team to ride for,because if the unemployed british riders decide to take this further, there could be some far reaching implications. No, Jayne's reply is correct. The EL and PL are professional leagues and any 'foreign' rider from a country outside the EEC needs a work permit (UK Border Agency Tier 2 Sponsorship) to compete in those leagues. It is just like coming to the UK from a foreign country to work in any other job. The NL is only semi professional and you do not need a work permit to race in that league. The UK Border Agency has an agreement with most commonwealth countries called the tier 5 youth mobility scheme. This allows commonwealth citizens to come to the UK for up to 2yrs and carry out 'casual' work like working in a bar / restaurant etc. Riding in the NL is treated this way. I had this discussion with a long standing NL promoter late last year and he ended up contacting the UK Border Agency who told him exactly what I've told you here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 So for Tier 2, the person has to be at the Top of his/her proffesion to gain a Work Permit ?? jeez how can one describe PL second strings as "Top Of The Proffesion" especially if a British rider has NO team to ride for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 How to dismiss a sad affair in one smug, off hand sentence Tell me about it!!! although some glimmer of hope remains, I hesitate to feel hope as it was so cruelly dashed last time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen79 Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 So for Tier 2, the person has to be at the Top of his/her proffesion to gain a Work Permit ?? jeez how can one describe PL second strings as "Top Of The Proffesion" especially if a British rider has NO team to ride for. Well I guess if you have taken up a sport and then become a professional sportsman within that sport, you can be classed as the top of your profession. Until you turn professional you are still climbing the ranks. There has to be a cut off somewhere, otherwise you could argue that Tomasz Gollob is the only speedway rider at the top of the profession and no-one else qualifies. Taking football as an analogy, there are players the length and breadth of the country trying to make the grade, but only those who are professional players are at the top of the profession. Otherwise no Championship or League One teams could sign a work permit player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I take your point Steve, but there are far to many footballers taking up team spots, who really are Just average players, i can see the day coming and its not to far off, where the majority of England players will be from Championship Teams and not Premiership, FA take note of what has happened in Speedway, GB can barely put out a Team of Heat Leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerM Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Hear Hear GP, The FA Premier League is well overstocked with Players from overseas no better than most of the UK Lads in the CC Championship or stuck on the bench or in the reserves. Have we learnt anything from the South African disaster? I very much doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hear Hear GP, The FA Premier League is well overstocked with Players from overseas no better than most of the UK Lads in the CC Championship or stuck on the bench or in the reserves. Have we learnt anything from the South African disaster? I very much doubt it. Apparently not - 'cos about 3 of the England cricket team who won the Ashes were South African... let alone the World Cup in SA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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