Ray Stadia Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Getting back to the problems regarding the stadium. I think the problem for the local residents, is the Moto-X section. Moto-X tends to go on for a long while and they will have a mixture of 2 stroke and 4 stroke machines going round and a lot of them. If anything is going to cheese off local residents, that will. The stadium sounds over used. I can understand the owners want a return on their investment, but a thought for people in the area needs to come into the fray. Sadly, Speedway is the least noise polluter of the 3 users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 From what i've read elsewhere it was 4-3, Stoke didn't get a vote as the weren't a national league club by then. correct ...... only teams from last year that have said they are running this year in the nat lge can vote ..... that leaves seven teams as mildenhall, weymouth and bournemouth have dropped from last years ten teams ... stoke, Belle Vue, peterbborugh or any others joining cannot vote as they were "at the time of the vote" not in the national league ... the voting went 4 against and 3 for ... interestingly .. the four against as it says above if those are true, are all second teams who will struggle to have dates and wouldn't i guess want more than 7 or 8 teams in the league with there "higher team" fixtures to sort as well. the teams that voted for .. if again above is true .. are three stand alone teams who are now scratching around to find meaningful matches to fill a season. i wonder how the vote would have gone if say Stoke who looking for a full season . .were allowed to vote ! Rye House would get a vote as offically they hadn't pulled out of the league as such at the time of the vote , but merely changed there name after the decision close mildenhall was made and there vote would have been that of a second team as such at the time of the vote, but probably advised the nat league meeting of there intentions to change after the vote was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Getting back to the problems regarding the stadium. I think the problem for the local residents, is the Moto-X section. Moto-X tends to go on for a long while and they will have a mixture of 2 stroke and 4 stroke machines going round and a lot of them. If anything is going to cheese off local residents, that will. The stadium sounds over used. I can understand the owners want a return on their investment, but a thought for people in the area needs to come into the fray. Sadly, Speedway is the least noise polluter of the 3 users. Moto-x don't use the stadium at Mildenhall, and have nothing to do with the promotion, apart from the moto-x and the speedway rent their land off the same owners. Probably very much like Rye House Speedway and the carting track behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenkie Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Getting back to the problems regarding the stadium. I think the problem for the local residents, is the Moto-X section. Moto-X tends to go on for a long while and they will have a mixture of 2 stroke and 4 stroke machines going round and a lot of them. If anything is going to cheese off local residents, that will. The stadium sounds over used. I can understand the owners want a return on their investment, but a thought for people in the area needs to come into the fray. Sadly, Speedway is the least noise polluter of the 3 users. Google map The link above shows the geography of Mildenhall stadium. In the top left hand corner is the stadium with the Moto-X track below and slightly to the left of the car park (field). On the right hand side of the link is the start of the runway to one of the largest and busiest USAF bases outside of the USA. Edited January 29, 2011 by Jenkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Moto-x don't use the stadium at Mildenhall, and have nothing to do with the promotion, apart from the moto-x and the speedway rent their land off the same owners. Probably very much like Rye House Speedway and the carting track behind it. But Mr Coventry runs the bangers and stock cars and if all three sports are in the same area, they will all get tarred with the same brush, surely. Locals will say, 'bloody noisy motor sports', especially if they have to endure the 3 diciplines every week in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) you have to ask the question the clubs that voted against Mildenhall Scunthorpe, Kingslynn, Dudley and Rye House do they think in doing so they may gain an extra few supporters from Mildenhall ? or is it they do not want competitive stand alone clubs in the NL ? I can only hope if its the former that any mildenhall fans thinking about where to spend their hard earned cash on speedway they will think twice about where they go and not line the pockets of those who on that dark day in January hammered home the final nail in our coffin. May be the money SMS have got they should put it towards a court action along with peterborough (although rumour has it they are going into national league) and coventry's court action. Theres so much i wish we could do - shout,scream,punch someone lol etc but sadly i realise its futile From what i've read elsewhere it was 4-3, Stoke didn't get a vote as the weren't a national league club by then. Do you actually know how the vote went or is this wild speculation ? But Mr Coventry runs the bangers and stock cars and if all three sports are in the same area, they will all get tarred with the same brush, surely. Locals will say, 'bloody noisy motor sports', especially if they have to endure the 3 diciplines every week in the summer. That is true. The council, though, did differentiate between the speedway and the stock cars when serving noise orders. Whatever Jonathan Chapman might have said, he didn't get one. The speedway takes about 3 hours at most on a Sunday afternoon and rarely after 7.30pm, and the noise is intermittent. The stocks go on until midnight occasionally and when I stayed over at the stadium once the track was still being graded at 2am. I think the stocks and the moto cross rather than the speedway are the problem but I doubt if that will be taken into account. Edited January 29, 2011 by Halifaxtiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 .. interestingly .. the four against as it says above if those are true, are all second teams who will struggle to have dates and wouldn't i guess want more than 7 or 8 teams in the league with there "higher team" fixtures to sort as well. How can that be true,Scunny run almost all double headers and rye wil share fixtures with Lakeside??and Dudley only have one team???? so no fixtures to sort really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I am gutted not to be waving the chequered flag at Mildenhall this season. All the riders I have spoken to say they love the track and it is a shame there wil be no racing there. The BSPA need to seriously think about what they are doing to the sport we love. Where to go now for my speedway fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Getting back to the problems regarding the stadium. I think the problem for the local residents, is the Moto-X section. Moto-X tends to go on for a long while and they will have a mixture of 2 stroke and 4 stroke machines going round and a lot of them. If anything is going to cheese off local residents, that will. The stadium sounds over used. I can understand the owners want a return on their investment, but a thought for people in the area needs to come into the fray. Sadly, Speedway is the least noise polluter of the 3 users. I have been to Mildenhall Stadium only a few times in recent years and these have been with my family, mostly on Sunday afternoons, a most pleasant experience. The spectator facilities are good with plenty of food outlets and a decent bar. However, a picnic on the grass bank along the back straight has been our preferred option. As for noise, the Stadium is well away from residential housing as far as I have been able to see. The Motor-Cross is noisier I suspect but, all pales into insignificance when matched up against the B52's which seem to include it in their flight path! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just down the road Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) But Mr Coventry runs the bangers and stock cars and if all three sports are in the same area, they will all get tarred with the same brush, surely. Locals will say, 'bloody noisy motor sports', especially if they have to endure the 3 diciplines every week in the summer. Yes, its great when your relaxing out on your patio enjoying a quiet mid-afternoon nap to suddenly being awakened by 'battle of the tannoys'. I quote (coming from the motocrosses newly installed tannoy - directed to the Stadium) - "Testing, testing - Oi, fatty can you hear us over there" I quote (coming from the stadium - directed back to the motocross) - "in-audible muffled screech of feedback" And this is on a non-race day.. Edited January 29, 2011 by Just down the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Yes, its great when your relaxing out on your patio enjoying a quiet mid-afternoon nap to suddenly being awakened by 'battle of the tannoys'. I quote (coming from the motocrosses newly installed tannoy - directed to the Stadium) - "Testing, testing - Oi, fatty can you hear us over there" I quote (coming from the stadium - directed back to the motocross) - "in-audible muffled screech of feedback" And this is on a non-race day.. I know this has been said a hundred times but if I bought a house next to a pub, then I would/should have to expect some noise at closing time, perhaps a bit of fowl language?? tough luck the pub was there when i purchased my property?? Or I move back to Mildenhall and decide the planes are a bit noisy?? again the base hasnt moved so tough luck on me... IF a new application goes in to build a pub or another runway, then I have good reason to complain and voice my objection, but not if it was clearly there when I moved in, the blame would solely lie with me and I should have looked at the area more before purchasing my home.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Well put Damon the logic of common sense. Funny he/she does not mention any interuption to his activities when the planes fly over. Malcolm Vasey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Well put Damon the logic of common sense. Funny he/she does not mention any interuption to his activities when the planes fly over. Malcolm Vasey Maybe because legal action cannot be taken against military venues operating under an international treaty? Pointless to object surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fentigers79 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Montie - theres no such thing as a secret in speedway. Halifax - my info is fact trust me. dont think its so much about number of teams/fixture congestion etc its more about points allowed per team my info is that of the promotors that attended the meeting some wanting even lower points limit to have out and out training teams but the stand alone clubs wanted to be competetive in the league and i think mildenhall were a threat to them. Also im sure thought mildenhall would be desperate enough for speedway they would go to their tracks to watch but i think they have underestimated our passion for Mildenhall Fen Tigers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) Well put Damon the logic of common sense. Funny he/she does not mention any interuption to his activities when the planes fly over. Malcolm Vasey People in general are more likely to be tolerant of noise from the USAF, as their purpose is to protect all of us in times of conflict, such as now, with the stupid involvement in Afghanistan, (another story, I know), but Moto-X, Bangers, Stock Cars and Speedway do not contribute to national security, so will not be given sympathy, by those who don't give a fig about the sports. And their voices will be heard by the local authorities, if the activities of the 3 sports has increased over the last few years and without consideration to the residents. Someone said on here that the grader after Stock Cars was going around the track at 2.00 am in the morning! Is that being considerate to the local community? To me, it sounds like they have driven their own nails into their own coffins. The sad thing is, it doesn't sound as though it's the Speedway that has caused the fury, could be wrong, but sounds like the other 2 activities which are to blame. Edited January 30, 2011 by Ray Stadia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) Montie - theres no such thing as a secret in speedway. Halifax - my info is fact trust me. dont think its so much about number of teams/fixture congestion etc its more about points allowed per team my info is that of the promotors that attended the meeting some wanting even lower points limit to have out and out training teams but the stand alone clubs wanted to be competetive in the league and i think mildenhall were a threat to them. Also im sure thought mildenhall would be desperate enough for speedway they would go to their tracks to watch but i think they have underestimated our passion for Mildenhall Fen Tigers. In what way were Mildenhall a threat??? Sadly no matter how much passion you have,its a stable promotion thats needed to stop Mildenhall looming from one problem to the next Edited January 30, 2011 by montie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 People in general are more likely to be tolerant of noise from the USAF, as their purpose is to protect all of us in times of conflict, such as now, with the stupid involvement in Afghanistan, (another story, I know), but Moto-X, Bangers, Stock Cars and Speedway do not contribute to national security, so will not be given sympathy, by those who don't give a fig about the sports. And their voices will be heard by the local authorities, if the activities of the 3 sports has increased over the last few years and without consideration to the residents. Someone said on here that the grader after Stock Cars was going around the track at 2.00 am in the morning! Is that being considerate to the local community? To me, it sounds like they have driven their own nails into their own coffins. The sad thing is, it doesn't sound as though it's the Speedway that has caused the fury, could be wrong, but sounds like the other 2 activities which are to blame. Not quite right, Ray. The reason this person has not tried to stop the noise from the airbase is simply because they can't. You can bet your life that if they could they would have done. What you have to understand in this is precisely where West Row stadium is - its literally in the middle of nowhere, with less than 20 houses within noisy earshot. Given that the end of the runway is right opposite the track, its difficult to imagine a more appropriate position for a place where stocks, Moto X & speedway take place. Its true to suggest there is noise late at night and during weekends. What you have to remember is that planning permission has been granted by the local authority and Dave Coventry has complied with many restrictions and recommendations that they have made. Clearly, they think that the circumstances are OK. What you can't get past is that this person moved in in the full knowledge that the stadium and the Moto X track where nearby. As I have said before, you don't move into a lighthouse if you don't like the sea, and their unjustifiable selfishness threatens the enjoyment that hundreds get from the speedway and thousands get from the stocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Montie - theres no such thing as a secret in speedway. Halifax - my info is fact trust me. dont think its so much about number of teams/fixture congestion etc its more about points allowed per team my info is that of the promotors that attended the meeting some wanting even lower points limit to have out and out training teams but the stand alone clubs wanted to be competetive in the league and i think mildenhall were a threat to them. Also im sure thought mildenhall would be desperate enough for speedway they would go to their tracks to watch but i think they have underestimated our passion for Mildenhall Fen Tigers. I don't think the points limit is an issue - at least not to that extent. Most NL fans (be they from stand alone or double up tracks) would accept 40pts, and that's certainly a lot higher than Rob Godfrey, for example, wanted last year. I don't wish to doubt your word but I have had 5 opinions on this from people who claim they know the truth. Those opinions differ quite considerably, so I retain an open mind on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Not quite right, Ray. The reason this person has not tried to stop the noise from the airbase is simply because they can't. You can bet your life that if they could they would have done. What you have to understand in this is precisely where West Row stadium is - its literally in the middle of nowhere, with less than 20 houses within noisy earshot. Given that the end of the runway is right opposite the track, its difficult to imagine a more appropriate position for a place where stocks, Moto X & speedway take place. Its true to suggest there is noise late at night and during weekends. What you have to remember is that planning permission has been granted by the local authority and Dave Coventry has complied with many restrictions and recommendations that they have made. Clearly, they think that the circumstances are OK. What you can't get past is that this person moved in in the full knowledge that the stadium and the Moto X track where nearby. As I have said before, you don't move into a lighthouse if you don't like the sea, and their unjustifiable selfishness threatens the enjoyment that hundreds get from the speedway and thousands get from the stocks. Thank you for putting me in the picture. On that basis, why is there a pending court case and is it the pending court case that has stopped the sanctioning of Speedway at West Row? Or is it something else? Is there doubt over the 'soundness' of the prospective Promoter(s)? It is a genuine question, as I am a bit confused, as maybe others are. In addition to Mildenhall being an active Speedway team, in the past, they also offered good training facilities, with regular practice days. What happened to those? And why, at least, can't the track be used for this purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Thank you for putting me in the picture. On that basis, why is there a pending court case and is it the pending court case that has stopped the sanctioning of Speedway at West Row? Or is it something else? Is there doubt over the 'soundness' of the prospective Promoter(s)? It is a genuine question, as I am a bit confused, as maybe others are. In addition to Mildenhall being an active Speedway team, in the past, they also offered good training facilities, with regular practice days. What happened to those? And why, at least, can't the track be used for this purpose? To answer your questions the court case is about noise. I just don't understand how it can be taken seriously or hope to succeed in the circumstances but that's looking at it logically, though, and the courts don't see it that way. The grounds stated for refusal are financial and the possibility that the stadium might not be available for speedway. Planning permission restricts the use of the stadium as far as I am aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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