hooper Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 why sre the youth forced to use the new silencers another cost for the under 16s parents now what a joke thanks bspa for your support of the youth riders of this country what do other people think??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) Your comments is not well written but who is saying that new silncers have to be used in youth speedway? Edited January 23, 2011 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooper Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Your comments is not well written but who is saying that new silncers have to be used in youth speedway? i had a text off one of the organisers of the under16s yesterday confirming that we have to use them ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) i had a text off one of the organisers of the under16s yesterday confirming that we have to use them ?? I asked the previous question but was signed in under my wife's log in hence the different signature!! I have seen no rules yet so cannot comment one way or the other but since the SCB have gone back on several other rules in pretty sharp time, I would hold off buying any yet. It is a topic in the General area but that has been dormant since before Christmas. Edited January 23, 2011 by Great Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooper Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I asked the previous question but was signed in under my wife's log in hence the different signature!! I have seen no rules yet so cannot comment one way or the other but since the SCB have gone back on several other rules in pretty sharp time, I would hold off buying any yet. It is a topic in the General area but that has been dormant since before Christmas.  i hope you are right its stupid to enforce this rule on the youth of this country who are trying to progress in the sport not all parents have bottomless pockets to go and buy exhausts this close to the start of the season another £200 just to get to the first meeting the people in charge need to look at helping the youth not exploiting them for more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Eh, what is the problem? Â The new king is 165 pounds ex vat and valid for 5 years, so that's 33 quid a year. The 'old' king was 100 pounds ex vat and valid for only 3 years, that's also 33 quid a year. Â Ahhh now I see it... the lack of proper technical inspection or is it just moaning from parents who don't like to buy a new one after 'cheating' on the rules for years. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Eh, what is the problem? Â The new king is 165 pounds ex vat and valid for 5 years, so that's 33 quid a year. The 'old' king was 100 pounds ex vat and valid for only 3 years, that's also 33 quid a year. Â Ahhh now I see it... the lack of proper technical inspection or is it just moaning from parents who don't like to buy a new one after 'cheating' on the rules for years. Â no not just moaning from parents but also from the likes of gollob etc.the new kings are crap so why should the youngsters have to buy them for a few skids after a meeting? maybe alright for you if you have got bottomless pockets as you have indicated before but the the youngsters get no money to ride so why penalise them any more and that goes for national league riders as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Eh, what is the problem? Â The new king is 165 pounds ex vat and valid for 5 years, so that's 33 quid a year. The 'old' king was 100 pounds ex vat and valid for only 3 years, that's also 33 quid a year. Â Ahhh now I see it... the lack of proper technical inspection or is it just moaning from parents who don't like to buy a new one after 'cheating' on the rules for years. Â Is that the price in Holland or the UK? I seem to think that they were more expensive than that last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Is that the price in Holland or the UK? I seem to think that they were more expensive than that last year. That's the UK price GC. DEP will be about 205.00inc VAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Hopefully Wizzer will read this thread or someone who has the 2011 rulebook.  I have been informed that all Under 16 riders and NL riders HAVE to have the new silencers full stop.  Is that correct?  Regards  Nikko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I have been told that we have to use new cans as well, did question this as I wasn`t aware it had been sorted but apparantly it has. This came from a team manager and promoter of a NL club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 That's the UK price GC. DEP will be about 205.00inc VAT. Thanks Lee. If that is the case I might try DEP this time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I have been told that we have to use new cans as well, did question this as I wasn`t aware it had been sorted but apparantly it has. This came from a team manager and promoter of a NL club so typical bspa have brought in these silencers despite protests from the top riders in the world ignoring the people who know best i.e the riders and we all have to roll over and do as were told by anonmyous non mechanically minded people whos only interest is ways of screwing money out of people.i pity the youngsters the silencers wont be their only expense while theyre struggling to find ways of keeping their engines from melting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I bet not a single youngster 'melts' an engine because he is using the new issue King,Dep or Prodrive silencers. Obviously every single breakdown will be blamed on them and claims of double the usual number of services will be made but in truth it will make absolutely no difference to anybody except, possibly, the sports very best riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I bet not a single youngster 'melts' an engine because he is using the new issue King,Dep or Prodrive silencers. Obviously every single breakdown will be blamed on them and claims of double the usual number of services will be made but in truth it will make absolutely no difference to anybody except, possibly, the sports very best riders. and you have proof of that these silencers are totally efficient? how do you know every breakdown will be blamed on them? btw do you ride? it would seem that you are able to predict that they will make no difference without any facts. amazing. so it would seem that all these top riders are lying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooper Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 so typical bspa have brought in these silencers despite protests from the top riders in the world ignoring the people who know best i.e the riders and we all have to roll over and do as were told by anonmyous non mechanically minded people whos only interest is ways of screwing money out of people.i pity the youngsters the silencers wont be their only expense while theyre struggling to find ways of keeping their engines from melting. well said billy i agree with you totally on this i was the one to start this thread and am happy that others agree with my sentiments. hopefully more can get involve and maybe they might change their minds on this matter at least for the youth !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Not proof but I did bother to contact the manufacturers and check they had carried out testing and their results. I have also heard all the same things about silencers every time they reduced the noise limits in other motorcycle sports and in nearly every case the reality has been nothing like the scare stories. Do you have proof that they will cause any damage to people riding below the top level? Why have these silencers not been a problem on the longtracks? Do you have any evidence other than what a couple of top riders have written? Do you believe that youngsters use an engine anything like as hard as the likes of Gollob? Do you think your engines are tuned to that level to start with or that they need to stay at exactly that level for every race? How do I know every breakdown will be blamed on them, that was more of a light hearted comment but there will be more than a grain of truth in there. Haven't ridden for a lot of years, have had a son riding and worked on a fair few engines over the past few years though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Not proof but I did bother to contact the manufacturers and check they had carried out testing and their results. I have also heard all the same things about silencers every time they reduced the noise limits in other motorcycle sports and in nearly every case the reality has been nothing like the scare stories. Do you have proof that they will cause any damage to people riding below the top level? Why have these silencers not been a problem on the longtracks? Do you have any evidence other than what a couple of top riders have written? Do you believe that youngsters use an engine anything like as hard as the likes of Gollob? Do you think your engines are tuned to that level to start with or that they need to stay at exactly that level for every race? How do I know every breakdown will be blamed on them, that was more of a light hearted comment but there will be more than a grain of truth in there. Haven't ridden for a lot of years, have had a son riding and worked on a fair few engines over the past few years though. well if themanufacturers are so confident and you say you have contacted them how about they each and everyone of them publish their test results on here or s.star. we have to shell out £200 each plus for them so its only right they discount whats been happening so far with overheating engines etc.thousands of riders have signed a petition in poland and sweden so how can they all be wrong?from what ive seen even riders at a lower level have engines in a high state of tune and not far off speeds of top riders. anyway the bits for the engine all cost the same difference is lower league riders have to pay for theres.also what can you do to an engine with what is in effect a bung up the exhaust you can only alter the ignition from 25 to 35 and as for carb alterations what is there? more fuel down the bore which is only going to wash off any lubrication there is on the cylinder walls. so come on lets have the all important test results and how to beat the heat. really the bspa or the fim should do this as they are the plonkers who are forcing them onto us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Like yourself the vast majority of people who signed petitions and are complaining about the silencers will not have used them and are judging them by hearsay. I haven't had any experience of them either but I have had a good amount of experience when noise levels have been lowered in other motorsports. Generally the arguments are always the same as they are for Speedway at the moment and then almost without fail the fears seem to be unfounded. Doubtless there will be a difference in performance and usually the problems are caused by people trying to get exactly the same results that they did with the less restrictive silencers. You may well have to accept a few hundred revs dropping off the top end and if you try and get them back by leaning the motor off you may have problems. Until people start using the silencers in anger solutions won't be found. Plenty of people have used them and reported no problems. How do you explain the Long track riders engines not blowing to pieces all the time? I still bet that any problems will be minimal. I have a YZ450 motocross bike in my garage waiting for me to do the engine, that is restricted to 98 or 96 Db (can't remember which) a lot less than the new Speedway silencer and the engine has 130 hours on it before what will be it's first rebuild. I know it's watercooled and a lot different but only two or three years ago we were being told that the new MX silencers would destroy engines left, right and centre. Â Finally, for the record I don't believe that lowering noise levels will make any difference at all to the nimby's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Like yourself the vast majority of people who signed petitions and are complaining about the silencers will not have used them and are judging them by hearsay. I haven't had any experience of them either but I have had a good amount of experience when noise levels have been lowered in other motorsports. Generally the arguments are always the same as they are for Speedway at the moment and then almost without fail the fears seem to be unfounded. Doubtless there will be a difference in performance and usually the problems are caused by people trying to get exactly the same results that they did with the less restrictive silencers. You may well have to accept a few hundred revs dropping off the top end and if you try and get them back by leaning the motor off you may have problems. Until people start using the silencers in anger solutions won't be found. Plenty of people have used them and reported no problems. How do you explain the Long track riders engines not blowing to pieces all the time? I still bet that any problems will be minimal. I have a YZ450 motocross bike in my garage waiting for me to do the engine, that is restricted to 98 or 96 Db (can't remember which) a lot less than the new Speedway silencer and the engine has 130 hours on it before what will be it's first rebuild. I know it's watercooled and a lot different but only two or three years ago we were being told that the new MX silencers would destroy engines left, right and centre. Â Finally, for the record I don't believe that lowering noise levels will make any difference at all to the nimby's. well we both agree on something.it wont stop the whinging nimbys.i still think the fim or bspa and the manufacturers should publish test results if there are any that is. its not fair to hoist these onto riders and expect them to iron out problems.typical speedway everything has to be top secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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