BWitcher Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Come on Shawn you should know by now that it is NEVER Nicki's fault...EVER! If he knocks someone off then they took a dive and if he falls off then someone else must have knocked him off...it was ever thus! Except he didn't knock anybody off. Pedersen was rightly excluded in his other races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Except he didn't knock anybody off. Pedersen was rightly excluded in his other races. I wish I could find that GP race a couple of seasons ago where, as Tatum said, "Harris just jumped off the back of the modorcycle". It was an almost carbon copy of last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscar Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Can't believe people are accusing Harris of laying it down.Look at it again Nicki lifted into the corner was not in control and clouted Harris thats fact.Pedersen caused that incident, fact and should have been excluded,he was the cause of the stoppage.Nice to see commentator JAN revert to his previous role as Danish team manager,expected to see him on the pits phone arguing Nickis case,someone send for Kelvin.Was at a loss to understand the choice of wild card this week until I saw young Jensen plastered in Red Bull gear and a large Red Bull banner over the start line,I get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Can't believe people are accusing Harris of laying it down.Look at it again Nicki lifted into the corner was not in control and clouted Harris thats fact.Pedersen caused that incident, fact and should have been excluded,he was the cause of the stoppage.Nice to see commentator JAN revert to his previous role as Danish team manager,expected to see him on the pits phone arguing Nickis case,someone send for Kelvin.Was at a loss to understand the choice of wild card this week until I saw young Jensen plastered in Red Bull gear and a large Red Bull banner over the start line,I get it now. OF course there was a commercial element to wild card choice - although don't forget Crump, Hampel and Sayfutdinov are also Red Bull sponsored - but what is wrong in looking long term, something we are unable to do in the UK. Four years ago Erik Gundersen, no bad judge, said that Mikkel would be the pick of a very fine harvest. Jason Crump singled him out for recommendation to Red Bull. Ole Olsen also thought him good enough to debut at Copenhagen and not be overawed or even out of his depth, which he certainly wasn't. Having met and spoken to him for the first time over the weekend I can only lament that Britain still has no infrastructure to unearth and nurture raw talent such as this. And the Danish fans loved having him there, as did the media including Denmark's answer to the One Show which featured both Mikkel and Ole on prime television on Thursday. Which is something else we can be jealous of. The amount of time and effort being invested in the likes of Mikkel, and others of his ilk, will pay a rich dividend for Denmark in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) i disagree, gardell did a good job and harris only have himself too blame for falling. riders should be able to stay upright even if they get a little push. A little push?? That was slightly more than a little push. The cause of the stoppage had to be Nicki P. Would Harris fallen without the contact from Nicki P, I very much doubt it. Gardell was awful. Nearly every decision wrong, including incorrectly excluded Nicki P in the re-run... although he should have gone first time. All the best Rob Edited June 12, 2011 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burton Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 thought that pedersen should of been excluded for bringing down harris ,not a difficult decision totally wiped him out,with regards the incident with lindback again a easy decision lindback should of been excluded . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Point 1. Hasn't stopped many a rider throughout the history of the sport doing it. Point 2. Hasn't stopped many a rider throughout the history of the sport doing it. Point 3. Irrelevant, he wouldn't be thinking about that at the time. Point 4. You've not watched Harris all that much then. He has history for this. Spot on mate, who can forget his classic "off" at Reading in the SWC. "This is the World Cup not the Conference League" Hans Andersen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Spot on mate, who can forget his classic "off" at Reading in the SWC. "This is the World Cup not the Conference League" Hans Andersen. Hans Andersen's tantrum that day was brilliant... one Nicki would be proud of. He hit the wall of the temporary Reading pits and they wobbled for several seconds. For a moment, it looked like they were going to fall on top of Andersen. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Nice to see that our Nicki is bringing so much entertainment to the GP's, and that everyone is talking about him. Keep up the good work Nicki, and see you in Cardiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Point 1. Hasn't stopped many a rider throughout the history of the sport doing it. Point 2. Hasn't stopped many a rider throughout the history of the sport doing it. Point 3. Irrelevant, he wouldn't be thinking about that at the time. Point 4. You've not watched Harris all that much then. He has history for this. Ahh, well thought out reasoned responses to my points..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 There are 4 replays here 1) 5 secs is the angle from the backstraight 2) 13 secs is from directly ahead 3) 23 secs is a partisan bit of slo mo editing 4) 34 secs is from high in the home stand 3) quite frankly is a joke 2) is from the wrong angle which masks the contact and the true effects ... it only serves to show us that Nicki was wildly out of control while tipping his head back..... its 1 and 4 that for me are the key replays............. If you watch Bomber in the 4th replay you can see clearly the line he was taking into the bend and it would have seen him white line it all the way round.......... the contact with Nikki clearly diverted that line and pushed him out mid track.... let alone the effects of the bash replay 1 not only shows how out of control Nicki was but also at the 7 second mark how much Bomber was bashed into and was struggling for control from that point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 The more I watch it in those replays from Spook the more convinced I am that Harris would not have fallen without the contact from NP. Later in commentary with Lindback, Jan made the point Linback was in front, he had the right to choose the white line. Same here, Harris was in front, he was clearly going around the line.. until whacked from behind by NP. Sure that is the only question the ref has to ask.. would the falling rider have come off without contact yes or no? If no, then the rider forcing that contact is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBee Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 There is no doubting whether there was any contact, I think it is more along the lines of could Bomber have stayed on the bike? He probably could have if I'm honest. It was a difficult call, although the exclusion of Pedersen in the re-run and heat 19 were both clear cut and correect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 It makes me laugh that so much emphasis is on the tipping of Nicki's head! That's just his way of reacting to a lift, he wasn't "out of control" he controlled the lift perfectly, got it down and into the corner tight. He made contact with Harris and Harris thought about what to do, and decided it was worth trying for a re-run. As the kids on the street say, it was blates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) I thought Bomber bailed out too easily as he let go of the bike. The bike wasnt going towards the fence. we all have differing opinions which shows just how hard a decision it was for the ref. Maybe the rule should be changed. Why does 1 rider have to be excluded when it's a 50/50 decision. Edited June 12, 2011 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Except he didn't knock anybody off. Pedersen was rightly excluded in his other races. Did I say that he did? TBH On this occasion I'm very much in the 50/50 camp - probably more like 60/40 in favour of Pedersen - but that's irrelevant to what I'm saying. Its also with the benefit of hindsight...at the time when Nicki was doing his childish finger waving it wasn't clear exactly what happened. The finger waving was his cynical attempt to influence the ref and stir up the crowd. No way could he know 100% for sure that he hadn't caused Harris to fall off...lets be honest people can't even agree NOW whether he did or not! None of this changes my original point...have you ever seen Nicki say he was at fault when someone came off - even on those occasions when he was doing an impression of a bowling ball? Or to admit he dropped it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Has he ridden enough meetings for an average yet - or will he be another Bees 11-meeting special? I believe its 8 now Dave. But i doubt if he will even ride that many!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Spot on mate, who can forget his classic "off" at Reading in the SWC. "This is the World Cup not the Conference League" Hans Andersen. And who can forget his classic stay on when Nicholls rode into him on Monday . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I believe its 8 now Dave. But i doubt if he will even ride that many!! It's actually only 2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) Did I say that he did? TBH On this occasion I'm very much in the 50/50 camp - probably more like 60/40 in favour of Pedersen - but that's irrelevant to what I'm saying. Its also with the benefit of hindsight...at the time when Nicki was doing his childish finger waving it wasn't clear exactly what happened. The finger waving was his cynical attempt to influence the ref and stir up the crowd. No way could he know 100% for sure that he hadn't caused Harris to fall off...lets be honest people can't even agree NOW whether he did or not! None of this changes my original point...have you ever seen Nicki say he was at fault when someone came off - even on those occasions when he was doing an impression of a bowling ball? Or to admit he dropped it? Totally agree about the rest of Nicki's actions, thats who he is and will never change. Edited June 12, 2011 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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