Marmite Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Harris then chose to take the cheap option and lay it down in the hope Pedersen would be excluded. What a load of tosh..... For four reasons. 1 - He had no guarantee Pedersen would be excluded. 2 - He knew Jason was right behind, so laying the bike down meant pretty strong chances of getting wiped out by Crumpie. 3 - Even in a re-run he must have known Crumpie and Holder would outgate him second time, so even getting rid of Pedersen, he would still have to start again against them. 4 - Harris as never struck me as a rider that lays it down, he takes a fair few on track knocks as Monday showed and does not bail out easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Heat 9 ref decision a JOKE...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Emil Sayfutdinov - Coventry Bees - Top of the EL averages. Frankly, I don't care what some foreigner does in the GPs, just what he does for the Bees. Has he ridden enough meetings for an average yet - or will he be another Bees 11-meeting special? What a load of tosh..... 4 - Harris as never struck me as a rider that lays it down, he takes a fair few on track knocks as Monday showed and does not bail out easily. Good point. Bomber's as tough as. Will Mr Staechman be putting someone's toys back in the pram for him tonight? Well done to Tomek tonight; early days yet, but, and it's the Aussie-friendly Millenium coming up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 What a load of tosh..... For four reasons. 1 - He had no guarantee Pedersen would be excluded. 2 - He knew Jason was right behind, so laying the bike down meant pretty strong chances of getting wiped out by Crumpie. 3 - Even in a re-run he must have known Crumpie and Holder would outgate him second time, so even getting rid of Pedersen, he would still have to start again against them. 4 - Harris as never struck me as a rider that lays it down, he takes a fair few on track knocks as Monday showed and does not bail out easily. Exactly,Pedersen caused the whole thing,without him it wouldn't have happened,you can't ride over gate 2,lift and clatter into someone hard like that and cause a pile up and get away with it.Maybe Bomber got off it a fraction early but if he didn't then I'm afraid he'd have hit JC harder and still sat on the bike which is a huge no-no Jan went down in my estimations big time there,the only person to agree with the ref,Pearson was surprised and sounded awkward and even Louis prised himself off the fence somewhat. Worse descision this season easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Thank goodness for Nicki P. What would we talk about in the GPs if he wasn't riding? Ref was awful last night. It's time to use the excellent Craig Ackroyd again. I admit a degree of bias here, but Craig did a great job in the opener at Leszno. Use him again. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Just a poor co-commentator in my opinion !! yep agree, dont think they should have him again, pearson annoys me everytime he opens his mouth. what a bore keith, sam. tatum, pearson, charlie, chris get rid. thought gp was pretty poor too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I broke my number 1 rules of speedway watching tonight. Never cheer when a rider falls. Twice I cheered. And once he as up shouted a load of abuse at Nicki via the tele. My justification for doing it to him is that whenever another rider falls off he waves his finger around like they wanted to throw the bike on the floor and risk injury. If he can be so unconcerned about others, I'm not going to worry about him. I'll Cardiff I'll be wagging my fingers at him in a similar way to what he does when a rider falls off. Come on Shawn you should know by now that it is NEVER Nicki's fault...EVER! If he knocks someone off then they took a dive and if he falls off then someone else must have knocked him off...it was ever thus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Thank goodness for Nicki P. What would we talk about in the GPs if he wasn't riding? Ref was awful last night. It's time to use the excellent Craig Ackroyd again. I admit a degree of bias here, but Craig did a great job in the opener at Leszno. Use him again. All the best Rob i disagree, gardell did a good job and harris only have himself too blame for falling. riders should be able to stay upright even if they get a little push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 i disagree, gardell did a good job and harris only have himself too blame for falling. riders should be able to stay upright even if they get a little push. I share your opinion on this Ghostie.I think he got it right on that occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I know very few agree with me but Harris jumped off. He probably thought after Nicki sent him into orbit jump off or die...hmm...jump off. I love watching Nicki but he can dish it out but can't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 has it come tho this? that i have to defend the bad boy? not a great fan of his but thought the ref was very harsh. the harris incident i thought was correct we have seen a number of occasions were harris knowing he has a slight knock takes exit stage left. the holder incident? yet again holder steam rolls under riders takes them flying, then because he has a cheeky grin gets away with it. pedersson was in front ans can do what he likes. lindback incident again think pedersson was hard done by if he had kept his ground then he would have been sent flying so wrong again ref! right thats it...... ill get me coat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 we have seen a number of occasions were harris knowing he has a slight knock takes exit stage left. A slight knock? Great meeting and Nicki always adds to the entertainment although should have been excluded three times ....twice in one race That Danish kid did well and Laguta was unlucky. Harris will not get a chance again in the GP so he either shapes up or ships out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerald tyke Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Don't think Bomber fell off by himself tonight. Thats the problem with the brits they always "hang onto it" and try and RACE!! A few lesser men dump it immediately. Whereas as we saw lastnight when something/body touches NP he falls straight away hoping for another persons exc.Can give but not take. Whenever NP head goes up and he looks 'ever so slightly out of control' you can guarantee someones in his firing line. Adds a bit of spice to a meeting though Come on Scott and Bomber in Cardiff lets have something to shout about!! A bit more banking there too will add a racing line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bessiebee Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 has it come tho this? that i have to defend the bad boy? not a great fan of his but thought the ref was very harsh. the harris incident i thought was correct we have seen a number of occasions were harris knowing he has a slight knock takes exit stage left. the holder incident? yet again holder steam rolls under riders takes them flying, then because he has a cheeky grin gets away with it. pedersson was in front ans can do what he likes. lindback incident again think pedersson was hard done by if he had kept his ground then he would have been sent flying so wrong again ref! right thats it...... ill get me coat! A slight knock? Like the one in the British final, which was even more important to him but where he stayed on the bike! I was at the meeting in Copenhagen and the Danes all around me said that Pedersen should have been excluded and it was the wrong decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 A slight knock? Like the one in the British final, which was even more important to him but where he stayed on the bike! I was at the meeting in Copenhagen and the Danes all around me said that Pedersen should have been excluded and it was the wrong decision. PERSONALLY thought it was 50/50 and referee would be damned whatever he did. However, I watched the race on the TV monitor next to the scoreboard alongside Freddie Lindgren, who was out in the next heat. Instantaneously he called it "Harris out, he was still in control when Pedersen hit him but THEN lost it." Didn't change his mind one iota when watching the replays. Riders are pretty good judges about incidents that don't involve themselves but it remains a judgement call rather than one of absolute certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Reports trackside that there is more banking on the bends than normal and track looks good.Plenty of press coverage for this one.Olsen thinks the Danes should go well.Good report on Mikkel B and how he looks up to Crump as well.Fingers crossed for the youngster.But this is just the start for him.Not make or break Like mentioned before, the HUGE Red Bull ad-board over the gates probably had nothing to do with Jepsen "Mad Croc" Jensen getting first reserve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) Like mentioned before, the HUGE Red Bull ad-board over the gates probably had nothing to do with Jepsen "Mad Croc" Jensen getting first reserve... I think Mikkel showed he was worthy of that spot,even if Red Bull helped him a bit Mad Croc will quite possibly get the spot at Vojens Had to laugh at LiGlad saying "Didn't drop a point all night in my first GP" Edited June 12, 2011 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 What a load of tosh..... For four reasons. 1 - He had no guarantee Pedersen would be excluded. 2 - He knew Jason was right behind, so laying the bike down meant pretty strong chances of getting wiped out by Crumpie. 3 - Even in a re-run he must have known Crumpie and Holder would outgate him second time, so even getting rid of Pedersen, he would still have to start again against them. 4 - Harris as never struck me as a rider that lays it down, he takes a fair few on track knocks as Monday showed and does not bail out easily. Point 1. Hasn't stopped many a rider throughout the history of the sport doing it. Point 2. Hasn't stopped many a rider throughout the history of the sport doing it. Point 3. Irrelevant, he wouldn't be thinking about that at the time. Point 4. You've not watched Harris all that much then. He has history for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 He probably thought after Nicki sent him into orbit jump off or die...hmm...jump off. I love watching Nicki but he can dish it out but can't take it. Are you a drama teacher? Talk about extreme.. He wasn't going anywhere near the fence until he jumped. It's a clear case of gamesmanship. The delay said it all. He got a knock and at first his instinct was to stay on and fight it out, then a snap decision told him to fall. Nothing to do with life or death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) PERSONALLY thought it was 50/50 and referee would be damned whatever he did. However, I watched the race on the TV monitor next to the scoreboard alongside Freddie Lindgren, who was out in the next heat. Instantaneously he called it "Harris out, he was still in control when Pedersen hit him but THEN lost it." Didn't change his mind one iota when watching the replays. Riders are pretty good judges about incidents that don't involve themselves but it remains a judgement call rather than one of absolute certainty. And here we have a voice of reason. Freddie is far from a fan of Pedersen's. They have had numerous 'incidents' down the years. Edited June 12, 2011 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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