MrB Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Will try to make it to Marks meeting but interesting that he and Watt can both hold 1 in the same year at the same track when Barker and Norris were told they couldn't at Eastbourne because rules didn't allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodyw17 Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Good luck to Mark and I hope he has a super testimonial but Alboy you are saying that Mark was way above all other english riders in the last two decades is not true. I seem to remember Gary Havelock winning the world championship back in the early 90's when it was a proper world final. Do not forget Mark never won a Grand Prix round, when he became world champion. In fact he only won one GP ever. You also degenerate riders like Chris Louis,Chris Harris and Scott Nicholls who were very good in the last two decades as pointed out, he did win 2. Mark had a different class to the other riders, Louis, Nicholls, Screen, Smith etc never won a GP despite being in GP's. i seem to remember Martin Dugard won a GP, does that make him better than Nicholls/Louis. Personally for me Loram is head & shoulders above other Brits of the time... at the end of the day he became World Champion through some outstanding rides that season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Will try to make it to Marks meeting but interesting that he and Watt can both hold 1 in the same year at the same track when Barker and Norris were told they couldn't at Eastbourne because rules didn't allow. I guess it's cos it's a testimonial and a farewell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazaar3 Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 Great news and got to shout out a big thanks to Mark for deciding to pick Poole as his farewell meeting. He in my eyes will also be considered having legend status after being the first Poole rider to win the world title. Definently going to this one and I hope many more will to after his fantastic performances and rider skills we saw in the laate nineties and turn of millenium. What a career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aazzAAZZ0099 Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 Good luck to Mark and I hope he has a super testimonial but Alboy you are saying that Mark was way above all other english riders in the last two decades is not true. I seem to remember Gary Havelock winning the world championship back in the early 90's when it was a proper world final. Do not forget Mark never won a Grand Prix round, when he became world champion. In fact he only won one GP ever. You also degenerate riders like Chris Louis,Chris Harris and Scott Nicholls who were very good in the last two decades When Mark Loram won the world title, it was over a long period of time and showed he was the best rider that season amongst other superstars. Gary Havelocks was a one off meeting, when as we know if a rider has a super good gating night he can win it whatever and all that proves he was the best rider of that night. There is no comparison here at all. As regards the other riders you mention, being a Witches fan I should know all about Chris Louis and Scott Nicholls. Neither have ever won a world title and quite honestly never looked like winning one. Chris was great at foxhall with a fantastic average but away his average never went above a 7. Scott is better generally than Chris was but his lack of gating ability and poor equipment and chosen mechanics have cost him dearly Im afraid. Chris Harris I love as a rider he is so-so entertaining and joy to watch from the back. But honestly to class him above Mark would be a joke as he has achieved nothing and in my opinion never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggytastic Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 Chris was great at foxhall with a fantastic average but away his average never went above a 7. I haven't got the stats to hand but when Chris averaged over 10 for the season twice in the 90's, he must have averaged more than 7 away.Thats without the glorious 98 season and others when He averaged over 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollie roger Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 When Mark Loram won the world title, it was over a long period of time and showed he was the best rider that season amongst other superstars. Gary Havelocks was a one off meeting, when as we know if a rider has a super good gating night he can win it whatever and all that proves he was the best rider of that night. There is no comparison here at all. As regards the other riders you mention, being a Witches fan I should know all about Chris Louis and Scott Nicholls. Neither have ever won a world title and quite honestly never looked like winning one. Chris was great at foxhall with a fantastic average but away his average never went above a 7. Scott is better generally than Chris was but his lack of gating ability and poor equipment and chosen mechanics have cost him dearly Im afraid. Chris Harris I love as a rider he is so-so entertaining and joy to watch from the back. But honestly to class him above Mark would be a joke as he has achieved nothing and in my opinion never will. So"one off" World finals Were easy? There were qualifying rounds for the British championship.How long ago were they stopped?There were so many PL riders in the British Championship this year there were so many moans on this site about the inequality of it.Tere used to be a European Final,Intercontinental final and a whole host of other rounds .Probably for a Brit 5 or 6 Rounds BEFORE the World Final so not so far off the meetings for SGP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 Great news and got to shout out a big thanks to Mark for deciding to pick Poole as his farewell meeting. He in my eyes will also be considered having legend status after being the first Poole rider to win the world title. Definently going to this one and I hope many more will to after his fantastic performances and rider skills we saw in the laate nineties and turn of millenium. What a career. SPot on mate, i will not miss this meeting for anything what a true legend and one of my all time favourite riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aazzAAZZ0099 Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 I haven't got the stats to hand but when Chris averaged over 10 for the season twice in the 90's, he must have averaged more than 7 away.Thats without the glorious 98 season and others when He averaged over 9. I was talking about Chris Louis away career average in the league, not one or two years in particular when he achieved slightly above his career away average. His foxhall form was undeniably good but his away form poor in comparison to that of Mark Loram. I will state again and stand by my conviction and that is, Mark Loram was the best british rider of the last 2 decades without doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Good luck to Mark and I hope he has a super testimonial but Alboy you are saying that Mark was way above all other english riders in the last two decades is not true. I seem to remember Gary Havelock winning the world championship back in the early 90's when it was a proper world final. Do not forget Mark never won a Grand Prix round, when he became world champion. In fact he only won one GP ever. You also degenerate riders like Chris Louis,Chris Harris and Scott Nicholls who were very good in the last two decades One thing that for me separates Loram from Havvy is that Loram did it over 6 meetings. Havvy, who looked like a man possessed throughout 92 and full credit to him, was lucky to win in Wroclaw as he was in a bad way after being clouted (whilst in 3rd I believe) and had it not bucketed down I doubt he would have won that day. Luck was on his side and fair play to him but Loram won his world title against Tony Rickardsson and stopped what would have been five straight titles for Rickardsson from 1998 to 2002. Whether Ramski won a GP in 2000 or not is irrelevant. He was the strongest man over a season and that takes a lot more than holding it together for 2 and half hours. Had 1992 been a GP series I think Jonsson would have won and Havvy 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorset delight Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 A date has been set Loramski the legend returns to Poole on Wednesday 30th of March for his farewell meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassergirl Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Gutted that this is a Wednesday night and not a weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Would have been great on a Sunday afternoon, bigger crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Will try to make it to Marks meeting but interesting that he and Watt can both hold 1 in the same year at the same track when Barker and Norris were told they couldn't at Eastbourne because rules didn't allow. I think it's because Mark's is a Farewell meeting and Davey Watt's is a Testimonial. Am sure Mark would have got one this year anyway. The fact is that he specifically asked for it to be at Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think it's because Mark's is a Farewell meeting and Davey Watt's is a Testimonial. Am sure Mark would have got one this year anyway. The fact is that he specifically asked for it to be at Poole. Mark is a great guy, and we do so miss him riding still, but no way a lot of us will be able to come and support him on a Wednesday night, down in Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i love tractors Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 i would have loved to go to this. shame its on a wednesday as it wont get the crowd it deserves like it would have had it been on a weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiltonpanther Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 The same for me, far to far to go from Peterborough on a Wednesday but would definitely attended at a weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Will try and make sure I'm there but, as mentioned, it is a shame it's a weeknight rather than a weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Weekends in british EL speedway just don't exist anymore do they?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Mark is a great guy, and we do so miss him riding still, but no way a lot of us will be able to come and support him on a Wednesday night, down in Poole I agree! It's just too far from Ipswich, Kings Lynn, etc. Pity it's not on a Sunday, as someone else said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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