no-brakes-uk Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Most people dont class that as fact. Who knows what there plans were? I agree it's not a fact, but like Birmingham, they would have had to declare their intent to run EL in time for the EL AGM. By the end of the AGM the BSPA stated that as Coventry and Peterborough hadn't declared their intent they were out of the EL, yet neither did Kings Lynn but they were allowed to join. Yes it was to fulfill the minimum requirement for Sky but either it's the rule or it isn't. Then they allowed Peterborough's top two move to Kings Lynn before stopping "all" Coventry and Peterborough riders from signing to other clubs. The BSPA have stumbled along blindly trying to cover their tracks and dug a deeper hole for themselves. If Kings Lynn had planned to join the EL they would not have left it until after the AGM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Who died and made you a Moderator? I apologise for discussing things on a discussion forum - yes, it's gone off-topic a little but I still think that all the things discussed here have merit. Maybe things are too quiet down Essex way, but don't be a hater, old man... Nobody is objecting to you discussing anything. Just asking you to do it on the appropriate thread. Thats why we have separate threads,. Makes a mockery of the forum if people just go way off topic and make posts randomly on one thread when there is already another thread for that topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Nobody is objecting to you discussing anything. Just asking you to do it on the appropriate thread. Thats why we have separate threads,. Makes a mockery of the forum if people just go way off topic and make posts randomly on one thread when there is already another thread for that topic. Well said Custer,it appears Mr Boon thinks we only need one thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I lost track of the whole thing... Is it really certain they will both pull out from EL? Or is there a chance they will participate somehow? It would be a shame not to have the league champions defending their title... Where is the whole thing at now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I agree it's not a fact, but like Birmingham, they would have had to declare their intent to run EL in time for the EL AGM. By the end of the AGM the BSPA stated that as Coventry and Peterborough hadn't declared their intent they were out of the EL, yet neither did Kings Lynn but they were allowed to join. Yes it was to fulfill the minimum requirement for Sky but either it's the rule or it isn't. Then they allowed Peterborough's top two move to Kings Lynn before stopping "all" Coventry and Peterborough riders from signing to other clubs. The BSPA have stumbled along blindly trying to cover their tracks and dug a deeper hole for themselves. If Kings Lynn had planned to join the EL they would not have left it until after the AGM. KL didn't walk out of the AGM. The BSPA didn't instruct Coventry and Peterbrough to leave the AGM unannounced. But it's all the BSPA's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I lost track of the whole thing... Is it really certain they will both pull out from EL? Or is there a chance they will participate somehow? It would be a shame not to have the league champions defending their title... Where is the whole thing at now? It is going to an EGM in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I agree it's not a fact, but like Birmingham, they would have had to declare their intent to run EL in time for the EL AGM. By the end of the AGM the BSPA stated that as Coventry and Peterborough hadn't declared their intent they were out of the EL, yet neither did Kings Lynn but they were allowed to join. Yes it was to fulfill the minimum requirement for Sky but either it's the rule or it isn't. Im not so sure they didnt declare an intent. The pre AGM meeting indicated there could possibly be a couple more teams to announce dependant on rules so i reckon they had already declared an intent prior to the walk out. I just dont buy this nonesense that they have been rewarded for coming up with being given a massive cash incentive and the share of the Panthers and Bees money. Dont get me wrong, im sure that the cash might have played some part in them, or any team coming up. But to suggest they only came up to prop up the EL is just plain nonesense IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) Im not so sure they didnt declare an intent. But to suggest they only came up to prop up the EL is just plain nonesense IMHO. Well other than the FACT they were announced in the Premier League after the AGM, and in the Cup draw. Cannot be bothered looking for the link or seeing if the BSPA have removed it, but it has been covered plenty of times already. If Birmingham had declared an upward movement at that point, why not KL? Why not tell the PL to keep them out of the draw? Etc........ Something like this.... ELITE LEAGUE Now includes Birmingham who have exchanged league membership with Ipswich, league numbers are not finalised consequently fixture planning has been deferred. ----------- PREMIER LEAGUE PREMIER LEAGUE KO CUP DRAW Scunthorpe v Ipswich, Sheffield v Edinburgh, Redcar v Workington, Somerset v Kings Lynn, Rye House v Newcastle, Leicester v Glasgow. 1st Round byes - Berwick and Newport. Edited December 31, 2010 by Authorised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 It still doesn't mean they were given a massive incentive to come up to the EL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 It still doesn't mean they were given a massive incentive to come up to the EL. No, I am sure they looked at it logically and thought, Hey, we are a thriving club in the PL, making money eacy year and one of the top dogs of the league. Shall we continue in this vein or Lets go join the EL, the league that is losing money hand over fist, looks like imploding at any moment, costs a lot more money to operate in.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) It still doesn't mean they were given a massive incentive to come up to the EL. I never said it involved money, just that stevebrum appears to think they were not lined up for PL. It was a fact that they were. I agree with BWitcher tho..... Most people dont class that as fact. Who knows what there plans were? Im not so sure they didnt declare an intent. But to suggest they only came up to prop up the EL is just plain nonesense IMHO. Edited December 31, 2010 by Authorised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 No, I am sure they looked at it logically and thought, Hey, we are a thriving club in the PL, making money eacy year and one of the top dogs of the league. Shall we continue in this vein or Lets go join the EL, the league that is losing money hand over fist, looks like imploding at any moment, costs a lot more money to operate in.. Alot of PL clubs are losing money too,even Edinburgh and they are top dogs and not all EL clubs are losing money. KL seems to be a well run club and there is no reason why it should be less profitable in the EL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Alot of PL clubs are losing money too,even Edinburgh and they are top dogs and not all EL clubs are losing money. KL seems to be a well run club and there is no reason why it should be less profitable in the EL. Remind me why they dropped down a league originally. Remind me why they have always insisted they would not move up to the EL and the reasons (at a time when the EL was in a better state) Remind me why when the relegation play-offs roll round the forum is inundated with posters saying its a farce because if the PL team won, they couldn't afford to move up. The consensus of this forum for years has been that it would be dumb for PL teams to move up to the EL, so why has that suddenly changed, at a time when the PL is gaining new tracks (Leicester), at a time when Kings Lynn's local rivals Ipswich have dropped down (big gates in the local derbies to look forward too). There is no sound business reason whatsoever for Kings Lynn to have moved up at this time... that we know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Alot of PL clubs are losing money too,even Edinburgh and they are top dogs and not all EL clubs are losing money. KL seems to be a well run club and there is no reason why it should be less profitable in the EL. Did any EL team make a profit last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 KL seems to be a well run club and there is no reason why it should be less profitable in the EL. Other than the seriously increased wage bill, more expenditure on loanees and signings. Income reduced by fewer fixtures. Unlikely to increase gate attendances. Admission kept the same. Does Sky money cover all of this? No. Would they be more profitable in PL? Most clubs would be, if not all. EL needs to think differently, outside the GoSpeed box for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Remind me why they dropped down a league originally. Remind me why they have always insisted they would not move up to the EL and the reasons (at a time when the EL was in a better state) Remind me why when the relegation play-offs roll round the forum is inundated with posters saying its a farce because if the PL team won, they couldn't afford to move up. The consensus of this forum for years has been that it would be dumb for PL teams to move up to the EL, so why has that suddenly changed, at a time when the PL is gaining new tracks (Leicester), at a time when Kings Lynn's local rivals Ipswich have dropped down (big gates in the local derbies to look forward too). There is no sound business reason whatsoever for Kings Lynn to have moved up at this time... that we know of. Why don't we all give up the unequal struggle then and join the wonderfully profitable PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Other than the seriously increased wage bill, more expenditure on loanees and signings. Income reduced by fewer fixtures. Unlikely to increase gate attendances. Admission kept the same. Does Sky money cover all of this? No. Would they be more profitable in PL? Most clubs would be, if not all. EL needs to think differently, outside the GoSpeed box for a start. The gate attendances are likely to increase,especially as they haven't increased admission.Sky money is a factor and sponsorship money should be more too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Did any EL team make a profit last season? Maybe Matt did when he flogged his fireworks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Poole certainly made a profit thanks,even after repairing the toilets and showers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 The gate attendances are likely to increase,especially as they haven't increased admission.Sky money is a factor and sponsorship money should be more too. Their race night will not be regular, and they have decided to miss the return of the derby fixtures with Ipswich, which would happen in the PL. The only way attendances will increase is if more home fans turn out.....but I have read for years that the fans don´t mind the quality (I personally do) and standards do not matter (ref: is the EL really Elite?). Will Lynn fans accept a struggle, having got used to winning, I hope the fans accept the Elite no silverware status. I bet they got some decent crowds for Cup Finals and Title Successes over the last few years. Why would sponsorship money be more? A little TV exposure doesn´t sell it to companies in the middle of a recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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