Druid Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 chicken buckets and fries all round, got plenty of bbq dips as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Add that to the fact that it was voted in the absence of two parties at the AGM Bullies should not be allowed to prosper, just because they have a large wad in the bank. So who was bullying who then Steve? Do you know? No. Do i know? No. Stick to the facts. If we take out everything on this thread that is pure speculation we'd be left with about 3 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Please explain to me what is illegal about the decision making of a sporting governing body? You didn't answer my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Well I will be disappearing for a while, to much warmer climbs. But the hotels do have wifi so I will I will still pop online to see what the latest goings on are before heading to the beach or pool. No way that is sad steve , get away from it all enjoy ur holiday then catch up when you get back. Peolple go on holiday to get away from it all , I for one would not come here will i`m away that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Please explain to me what is illegal about the decision making of a sporting governing body? I would think that rules as set by a sporting body simply still need to comply with national and European laws on restriant of trade /contract law and that kind of stuff. I would imagine that this is why it was a competition specialist that was engaged by the Brandon promotion. Problem is for those outside the loop is that there is no way any of us can know any of the specifics until after a settlement or otherwise is completed, and even then I suspect we will be given very little detail. I suspect neither side will be wanting to be seen gloating or bitching too much as some attempt to rebuild bridges is going to be required and that kind of behaviour would have the opposite effect. Seasons greetings, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 You didn't answer my question. If a sporting governing body put proposed rule changes to the vote which are then voted in democratically how can this be illegal. How much more clearly would you like me to put it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Well I will be disappearing for a while, to much warmer climbs. But the hotels do have wifi so I will I will still pop online to see what the latest goings on are before heading to the beach or pool. Glad you will be logging on for your dailly dose of abuse Steve Have a nice time, I'm not jealous at all honest Seasons Greetings, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeesFan Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Because it takes time to organise. This time last year only a couple of clubs had completed. The 40 points limit won't change. Desisions have already been made based on the 40 points limit. Poole, for example. let go of Bjarne so they could get a couple of 4 pointrs at reserve. If the points limit rose to, say 42, Poole could have kept Bjarne and still had two 4 pointers at reserve. Add that to the fact that it was voted in democratically at the AGM and its not going to change because Coventry and Peterborrough say so. Bullies should not be allowed to prosper, just because they have a large wad in the bank. they wont!! Sandhu will win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 If a sporting governing body put proposed rule changes to the vote which are then voted in democratically how can this be illegal. How much more clearly would you like me to put it? Well obviously it can be as there have been lawyers involved. My point was how can you possibly know everything that has happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Colin Cooke is right, you are wrong. Dismissed. NOBODY is right or wrong at the moment. Not being dismissive of what Colin does or doesnt know (if he does im not to say) but until there are official releases its ALL just speculation. If what Colin says is the truth then im sure we will not here the last of it! Not having a pop at Colin - im just not a fan of people who claim to know things - even if they do! Exactly. Everyone talks about legal action. On what grounds? The BSPA have no case to answer. Exactly. NOBODY knows (or a hundred or more know if you believe Skeletor ) what theses grounds are. Its just pure speculation or people have read bits of what other promoters have said and put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5. I prefer to wait until the official release before i make a true informed opinion of who is in the right or wrong. Its just my opinion that Sandhu (in particular) and Frost are trying to alter the game at the detriment of the sport. Until i hear what all the fuss was about (officially, not in posters beliefs or sources) then ill be more enlightened. So will 99.9% of posters id imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 they wont!! Sandhu will win Oh perlease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Well obviously it can be as there have been lawyers involved. My point was how can you possibly know everything that has happened? Who is claiming that they know everything that has happened. The whole mess is over rule changes imposed by the BSPA which Cov and P'boro couldn't handle. Have you been asleep for the last month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 How can anyone argue that a watered down league where riders are told where they have to ride and clubs are told who will ride for them is in the interests of increasing competition? How would having the league drop from the pre-existing nine to four or five increase competition? chicken buckets and fries all round, got plenty of bbq dips as well Enjoy. I would think that rules as set by a sporting body simply still need to comply with national and European laws on restriant of trade /contract law and that kind of stuff. Speedway would most certainly have a case to answer in relation to EU law, or, more particularly, EU Employment Law, since the concept of rider assets is obviously a nonsense. The problem there is that Sandhu and Coventry would be among the biggest losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 So lets look at it from another angle. What would Sandhu actually win? A fresh vote? Pretty sure it would go the same way and the outcome would be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) How would having the league drop from the pre-existing nine to four or five increase competition? Enjoy. Speedway would most certainly have a case to answer in relation to EU law, or, more particularly, EU Employment Law, since the concept of rider assets is obviously a nonsense. The problem there is that Sandhu and Coventry would be among the biggest losers. It has been mentioned on here several times that the current "asset" system would be likely to take a pounding if any serious scrutiny was applied to it. personally I would hope it would be , surely it would make sense to simply have fixed term contracts with riders, unfortunately though that idea comes to pieces because it could only realistically be one year terms due to the constant chopping and changing of team building limits. This is one of the reasons why I personally feel there needs to be a root and branch examination of the whole setup, if this winters shenanegens result in that then maybe it will at least have been partly worthwhile! Seasons Greetings, Martin Edited December 27, 2010 by Beeone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Butler Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Because it takes time to organise. This time last year only a couple of clubs had completed. The 40 points limit won't change. Desisions have already been made based on the 40 points limit. Poole, for example. let go of Bjarne so they could get a couple of 4 pointrs at reserve. If the points limit rose to, say 42, Poole could have kept Bjarne and still had two 4 pointers at reserve. Add that to the fact that it was voted in democratically at the AGM and its not going to change because Coventry and Peterborrough say so. Bullies should not be allowed to prosper, just because they have a large wad in the bank. Greetings Steve. I think you are in error by implying that Peterborough 'have a large wad in the bank'. Their stated reasons for withdrawing from competing in the Elite League were purely due to cost. It was further stated that they wished to continue presenting speedway in the town and were hoping to compete in the Premier League or even the National. Apparently it remains to be seen whether the masters of the sport will allow this. As for the conduct of Avtar Sandhu at Coventry. The man is a disgrace to the sport, I remember well what a great club the Bees were under the control of Charles Ochiltree. Sadly, those days are long gone and are just a distant memory. Regards, Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 So lets look at it from another angle. What would Sandhu actually win? A fresh vote? Pretty sure it would go the same way and the outcome would be the same. look at it like this then why should clubs get to vote on 1 8pt rider per team when certain clubs don't have any as assets over 8 so thats hardly fair is it ???? the vote is only going to go 1 way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 they wont!! Sandhu will win Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, I can't see how he can win. If he backs down to the BSPA or loses his court case, he loses. If the BSPA backs down or it goes to court and he wins, he loses. What sort of working relationship do you think there will be with the rest of the BSPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Saint Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 I wish people would stop referring to the BSPA's decisions as being "democratic". There is nothing "democratic" in rule by the majority - it is simply a "majority decision". To be truly democratic, any decision would involve all parties reaching a decision that takes account of the views and concerns of all parties. Ron, I am afraid that I must disagree. The way that things have been going, it has needed someone to stand up and be counted for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Greetings Steve. I think you are in error by implying that Peterborough 'have a large wad in the bank'. Their stated reasons for withdrawing from competing in the Elite League were purely due to cost. It was further stated that they wished to continue presenting speedway in the town and were hoping to compete in the Premier League or even the National. Regards, Ron. Peterborough is a city (well, we wouldn't want to stir up the local council into taking legal action, would we?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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