ImpartialOne Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 But let me spin that one the other way - Coventry and Peterborough have been trying to use press releases to support a weak position whereas the BSPA, on legal advice, have been told to say nothing. The lack of press releases may be because, as nothing has changed, there is nothing to say. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that Coventry and Peterborough are stuffed. Peterborough because they went to press (these damn press releases again) saying they were DEFINITELY not taking part in the 2011 EL, and Coventry because, if the BSPA give in, then the rule book is even more worthless than it appears to be now. Now spin that! Talks are currently ongoing between all 3 parties to resolve the issues. There is nothing to spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 You see the thing is richtea, nothing that i have said about what i know is anymore than what was said in the statement a few days later. In light of the above, please consider your post below: So why is it then that the BSPA came to see Sandhu & not the other way round.?The answer is simple, their lawyers ordered them too. Why?, simple again, their lawyers don't want a court case. Please provide evidence of a statement released where it is identified thaat the BSPA "came to see Sandhu and not the other way round", since the only official statement anyone else can find states clearly that Sandhu "offered mediation to the BSPA". Furthermore, please provide evidence of a statement that states clearly that the BSPA's legal team "ordered them" to come to Sandhu. Also evidence of the statement that states that the BSPA's legal team "don't want a court case" (although, my personal opinion is that neither side would really welcome a court case). If you are unable to do so would you agree that it would be reasonable for people to assume that you are posting in ignorance of any real facts or that you are in possession of knowledge received from someone within the Coventry promotion whose confidence you have betrayed shamefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Talks are currently ongoing between all 3 parties to resolve the issues. There is nothing to spin. Thats the bottom line .. It will be sorted ,from which ever club you support the final outcome will be spun to suit your argument . The BSPA will not lose face nor will Coventry . IF Pawlicki is a 5pt rider " for the good of the sport we have reached a COMPROMISE " . Wait & See ..........I Can see it now !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Im excited going to try out are new KFC just opened yum yum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 But let me spin that one the other way - Coventry and Peterborough have been trying to use press releases to support a weak position whereas the BSPA, on legal advice, have been told to say nothing. The lack of press releases may be because, as nothing has changed, there is nothing to say. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that Coventry and Peterborough are stuffed. Peterborough because they went to press (these damn press releases again) saying they were DEFINITELY not taking part in the 2011 EL, and Coventry because, if the BSPA give in, then the rule book is even more worthless than it appears to be now. Now spin that! I haven't seen a worthwhile press release (or official statement) so far and as of yet no one from within the Coventry-Peterborough camp has yet articulated the fundamentals of their "case". Is their case so weak that they are ashamed to reveal it and are relying on having the resources to outlast the BSPA in a dispute? My opinion is that we are now treading on very dangerous ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 I haven't seen a worthwhile press release (or official statement) so far and as of yet no one from within the Coventry-Peterborough camp has yet articulated the fundamentals of their "case". Is their case so weak that they are ashamed to reveal it and are relying on having the resources to outlast the BSPA in a dispute? My opinion is that we are now treading on very dangerous ground. Have you never heard of a legal case before? Of course you have. Have you ever noticed that in all legal cases, people are not allowed to reveal details of the case apart from what they have been told they can? Of course you have. The only people treading on dangerous ground are those who can't wait to jump to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) Peterborough are stuffed. Peterborough because they went to press (these damn press releases again) saying they were DEFINITELY not taking part in the 2011 EL, why ??? think the statement read if couldn't accept the losses in the current format, who's to say the format won't change ??? Edited December 27, 2010 by hans fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Have you never heard of a legal case before? Of course you have. Have you ever noticed that in all legal cases, people are not allowed to reveal details of the case apart from what they have been told they can? Of course you have. The only people treading on dangerous ground are those who can't wait to jump to conclusions. In most cases relating to competition law the grounds for the case are usually in the public domain. I just don't see how Coventry could possibly have any sort of case. The rules agreed by the majority at the BSPA AGM are the same for everyone and are, the BSPA can argue, in the interests of increasing competition. Coventry, it seems to me, wish to stifle competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) why ??? think the statement read if couldn't accept the losses in the current format, who's to say the format won't change ??? The full statement read: IT is with the deepest regret that we confirm Peterborough Speedway will not compete in the 2011 Elite League. We cannot justify or endorse losses of c£140,000 per season in order for Peterborough Speedway to remain in the Elite League and feel that some of the rule changes voted in at the recent BSPA AGM will only serve to increase such losses. We therefore had no option other than to make the painful decision not to remain in the Elite League for 2011. Our wish is for Peterborough Speedway to continue at the East of England Showground and we hope to be in a position to announce the outcome of our application to join the Premier or National Leagues following the BSPA General Council meeting on 7th December. Rick Frost Peterborough Speedway UPDATED: 6.12pm RELEASE DATE: Sunday 28 November 2010 Peterborough have certainly been the least consistent of the parties involved. Edited December 27, 2010 by ladyluck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 In most cases relating to competition law the grounds for the case are usually in the public domain. I just don't see how Coventry could possibly have any sort of case. The rules agreed by the majority at the BSPA AGM are the same for everyone and are, the BSPA can argue, in the interests of increasing competition. Coventry, it seems to me, wish to stifle competition. Exactly. Everyone talks about legal action. On what grounds? The BSPA have no case to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 IT is with the deepest regret that we confirm Peterborough Speedway will not compete in the 2011 Elite League. We cannot justify or endorse losses of c£140,000 per season in order for Peterborough Speedway to remain in the Elite League and feel that some of the rule changes voted in at the recent BSPA AGM will only serve to increase such losses. have the official rules been published yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) have the official rules been published yet The 8 teams involved in the 2011 EL are certainly building to them. Edited December 27, 2010 by Steve Shovlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 The 8 teams involved in the 2011 EL are certainly building to them. steve no elite team has a complete team officialy yet why ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 In most cases relating to competition law the grounds for the case are usually in the public domain. I just don't see how Coventry could possibly have any sort of case. The rules agreed by the majority at the BSPA AGM are the same for everyone and are, the BSPA can argue, in the interests of increasing competition. Coventry, it seems to me, wish to stifle competition. How can anyone argue that a watered down league where riders are told where they have to ride and clubs are told who will ride for them is in the interests of increasing competition? More like decreasing credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Exactly. Everyone talks about legal action. On what grounds? The BSPA have no case to answer. How can you possibly know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 If Coventry & Peterborough do get back in, and I for one don't believe the spin coming out from Brandon that this is a bolt on, then that would require compromise on the constitutionally approved rule changes. Which in turn would surely require approval from all the teams not just the EL. Now, as the new conversion factor suits the PL - if you don't believe me, just look at the riders coming in like Wright, Gjedde, Risager etc - but it doesn't suit Coventry, and is one of the rule changes that Coventry want reversed, how likely do you think that the PL will be happy to see support Coventry's return? I think this still has a long way to go. Here we go again, and I don't mean just you. People are still spouting off as though they actually know exactly what is being demanded/negotiated etc. The only fact as far as I can see is that none of us actually know anything for certain either regarding the exact reasons for the reported walkout, or the exact nature of the current discussions. As for "the spin from Brandon that re admittance is a bolt on" or words to that effect, I haven't seen that myself, what I have seen is a message "hoping" to have some positive news, that doesn't sound like anyone taking anything for granted to me. Let's face it, it would be a little odd to enter any negotiations hoping to soon have some bad news to relate would it not!! Seasons Greetings, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 steve no elite team has a complete team officialy yet why ??? Because it takes time to organise. This time last year only a couple of clubs had completed. The 40 points limit won't change. Desisions have already been made based on the 40 points limit. Poole, for example. let go of Bjarne so they could get a couple of 4 pointrs at reserve. If the points limit rose to, say 42, Poole could have kept Bjarne and still had two 4 pointers at reserve. Add that to the fact that it was voted in democratically at the AGM and its not going to change because Coventry and Peterborrough say so. Bullies should not be allowed to prosper, just because they have a large wad in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 I hope there is an Official Press release very soon because this has turned into the most boring self-opinionated thread I've seen on here. Unfortunately, I fear the Press release will be followed by an equally boring thread of epic "told you so" proportions ! That follow up thread could be quite entertaining initially, just picking out those who are humble enough to admit they got it hopelessly wrong and those who disappear for a while Seasons Greetings, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 How can you possibly know this? Please explain to me what is illegal about the decision making of a sporting governing body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 That follow up thread could be quite entertaining initially, just picking out those who are humble enough to admit they got it hopelessly wrong and those who disappear for a while Seasons Greetings, Martin Well I will be disappearing for a while, to much warmer climbs. But the hotels do have wifi so I will I will still pop online to see what the latest goings on are before heading to the beach or pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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