Coventry 99 % Certain To Be In Elite Next Season Acording To Sandu

[eastern wolf]

I have a lot of respect for Sandhu. He started legal proceedings but refused to use the race card.

 

Of course he didn't use the race card, they don't have greyhounds at Brandon any more

[Beeone]

Of course he didn't use the race card, they don't have greyhounds at Brandon any more

 

Boom Boom

[Wendy]

Am I being thick? (probably!) But I can't see anything other than three identical press releases that say absolutely nothing. Other than they were having "discussions" to resolve issues and that there was a commitment to resolve matters amicably.

My guess is that they have been drafted by lawyers.

So the Coventry radio "leak" was surely premature?

My guess is that this is NOT going to be resolved any time soon, especially with Christmas and New Year holidays to come.

To be honest, it is now the Coventry riders I feel sorry for - not knowing if they have a job next year. Maybe that is the next legal threat to come, riders demanding to be released?

Whatever happens, things cannot ever be the same again.

[dump that clutch]

for argument sake, lets say the BSPA have backed down a shade, Pawlicki is given a 5.00 ave......where does this leave Andersson at Poole....still 4.00

[YerRopes]

You talk about money but consider this. Sandhu and Frost are very, very rich men and probably used to getting their own way. Are they not expecting to get their own way in this situation despite a majority against them? A man who can allegedly afford to lose 140k a year is using the sport as his toy.

Consider this EW...

 

PBoro and Cov walk away because things were so untenable (for them)..

 

Swindon and Poole (together with Cov & PBoro) wanted a 45 point limit..

 

Eastie, BV and Lakeside wanted something considerably less..

 

Where does that leave Wolves - silently very happy ?

 

EW - why have you made so many posts in such short a time (going on and on and on) ?

 

EW - who are you ?

[Sandie]

So assuming the hype is correct and Coventry are to take their place in 2011 does this mean we have our first cancelled meetings of 2011. Coventry to take their rightful place in the Elite Shield?

[Sprog1]

You talk about money but consider this. Sandhu and Frost are very, very rich men and probably used to getting their own way. Are they not expecting to get their own way in this situation despite a majority against them? A man who can allegedly afford to lose 140k a year is using the sport as his toy.

 

I don't know if you have ever met Rick Frost but speaking as a neutral I can assure you he is a very nice down to earth guy. Whether you agree with him on this issue or not it is unfair to categorize him as someone who just treats the sport as a toy. He is enthusiastic about the sport and his heart is in the right place even if some of his decisions could be classed as ill-advised. Speedway is lucky to have someone who is prepared to plough that amount of money into the sport, and contrary to what some people have said on here I don't think he sees it as loose change.

It should be possible to disagree with someone without demonizing them.

 

 

 

[Beeone]

So assuming the hype is correct and Coventry are to take their place in 2011 does this mean we have our first cancelled meetings of 2011. Coventry to take their rightful place in the Elite Shield?

 

It surely should be so Sandie, I'll bet that would go down well over Monmore way

Regards, Martin

[eastern wolf]

Consider this EW...

 

PBoro and Cov walk away because things were so untenable (for them)..

 

Swindon and Poole (together with Cov & PBoro) wanted a 45 point limit..

 

Eastie, BV and Lakeside wanted something considerably less..

 

Where does that leave Wolves - silently very happy ?

 

EW - why have you made so many posts in such short a time (going on and on and on) ?

 

EW - who are you ?

 

Is it not possible to make an argument without abuse? I dislike your biased opinions intensely but never resort to abuse.

[Steve Shovlar]

for argument sake, lets say the BSPA have backed down a shade, Pawlicki is given a 5.00 ave......where does this leave Andersson at Poole....still 4.00

 

Yes because the rules for 2011 have already been set and he fitted the criteria of a 4 point rider when signed. If he had been signed bEFORE the agm, and then the rules had been changed, Poole would have no leg to stand on because they would have jumped the gun.

 

Pawlicki fitted the criteria last season, but his meetings were manipulated to such an extent he never rode the 12th meeting to get an official average. Rule bending of 8.2 on the Richter Scale. Or should that be 6.18.

Edited December 21, 2010 by Steve Shovlar

[Steve Shovlar]

It should be possible to disagree with someone without demonizing them.

 

Not on this forum.

[dump that clutch]

Yes because the rules for 2011 have already been set and he fitted the criteria of a 4 point rider when signed. If he had been signed bEFORE the agm, and then the rules had been changed, Poole would have no leg to stand on because they would have jumped the gun.

 

Pawlicki fitted the criteria last season, but his meetings were manipulated to such an extent he never rode the 12th meeting to get an official average. Rule bending of 8.2 on the Richter Scale. Or should that be 6.18.

.....but if the rules have changed, like a few weeks ago maybe this will affect Poole regarding Anderssons average

[essaitch]

Yes because the rules for 2011 have already been set and he fitted the criteria of a 4 point rider when signed. If he had been signed bEFORE the agm, and then the rules had been changed, Poole would have no leg to stand on because they would have jumped the gun.

 

Pawlicki fitted the criteria last season, but his meetings were manipulated to such an extent he never rode the 12th meeting to get an official average. Rule bending of 8.2 on the Richter Scale. Or should that be 6.18.

But surely with the EL expanding to 10 teams they'll be a new AGM? Especially as 2 of them have contested the grounds of the original meeting.

[eastern wolf]

I don't know if you have ever met Rick Frost but speaking as a neutral I can assure you he is a very nice down to earth guy. Whether you agree with him on this issue or not it is unfair to categorize him as someone who just treats the sport as a toy. He is enthusiastic about the sport and his heart is in the right place even if some of his decisions could be classed as ill-advised. Speedway is lucky to have someone who is prepared to plough that amount of money into the sport, and contrary to what some people have said on here I don't think he sees it as loose change.

It should be possible to disagree with someone without demonizing them.

 

Unfortunately I've never met Rick and I have no doubt he's a nice guy. He's certainly improved a very, very bad situation at Peterborough. But the fact that he CAN afford to lose so much money suggests he can use the sport as a toy (if he so wished). Other clubs are not in that fortunate position and have to cut their cloth to fit.

 

Now if the Matt Ford/CVS haters who hurl such foul abuse at them (and have also probably never met them) would show a little restraint the forum would be a happier place.

[Beeone]

Yes because the rules for 2011 have already been set and he fitted the criteria of a 4 point rider when signed. If he had been signed bEFORE the agm, and then the rules had been changed, Poole would have no leg to stand on because they would have jumped the gun.

 

Pawlicki fitted the criteria last season, but his meetings were manipulated to such an extent he never rode the 12th meeting to get an official average. Rule bending of 8.2 on the Richter Scale. Or should that be 6.18.

You keep on saying it and you are still wrong, the letter of the rule was abided by, not bent not broken. The rule may have been wrong, but that is a different matter. Any manager who had not taken advantage of it would not have been doing his job properly, that job being to gain every advantage for his team within the letter of the law, which is what was done.

 

Regards, Martin

[MattK]

But surely with the EL expanding to 10 teams they'll be a new AGM? Especially as 2 of them have contested the grounds of the original meeting.

To what end? Riders have already signed contracts in both leagues based upon the rules agreed at the AGM.

[Steve Shovlar]

.....but if the rules have changed, like a few weeks ago maybe this will affect Poole regarding Anderssons average

 

If the rules had been brought in at the AGM that foriegners were a 5, then Matt Ford would have made the decision whether to sign Andersson on that criteria. A rule won't be changed once it has been decided just a few weeks earlier and after some teams have signed riders on that very rule.

[dump that clutch]

could be a massive can of worms about to explode here...

[Steve Shovlar]

You keep on saying it and you are still wrong, the letter of the rule was abided by, not bent not broken. The rule may have been wrong, but that is a different matter. Any manager who had not taken advantage of it would not have been doing his job properly, that job being to gain every advantage for his team within the letter of the law, which is what was done.

 

Regards, Martin

I never said it was broken, but it was bent. And it was manipulation of gargantuan proportions which led directly to Coventry winning the playoffs.

 

Why should they double dip and benefit twice on a rider who has proved he should be on an average over two points higher? I can understand fans of that particular club wanting him back on a 4 because it gives an instant massive advantage over every other club.

 

But if Poole had done this with Madsen for example, left him out of his twelth meeting with some PL 6 pointer taking his place so he could ride at reserve in the playoffs, and were bringing him back on a 4 in 2011 at reserve when he averaged 6.20, would you still say its fine?

[Beeone]

could be a massive can of worms about to explode here...

That sounds disgusting, couldn't they use beans instead?

 

 

 

 

 

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