Gemini Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 And for certain your contributions will not be forgotten by many bees fans either Too true. Certainly opened my eyes. I don't mind people having a different opinion and being against Coventry even though they don't know the reason for the dispute but I've been surprised at some of the comments and they won't be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westo97 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 It certainly isn't the same thing. Ignore the "feels" bit which is just an addendum to his statement. He clearly says he can't justify remaining in the EL with losses of 140k. Yeah,under the rules discussed.Anyone can break any wording down as far as they want to looking for something that is or isnt there. He felt under the proposed rules we could not justify extra losses he felt would happen.Whether he right or wrong is irrelvant,he is a businessman and he takes the view it will increase losses.He is not gonna just try it and see how it goes to be proven right and further out of pocket 9 months later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 The word "and" is the clue. Whether it is what he meant to say I know not but what he did say was, he could not endorse or justify the losses to stay in the EL AND that some of the new rules would serve to increase the losses. Having said that the important thing is for Peterborough to be in the EL next year and I hope that they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Assuming the BBC report to be accurate - and good if it means Coventry returning under BSPA rules and regs! - I wonder who 'leaked' the news to BBC Coventry & Warwicks?? One can only presume one of the Bees representatives!! Once again not the correct way to go about things is it - whatever has been agreed/mediated/compromised I am certain that there would have been agreement from both sides for the 'official' statement to be made at a specific time by the BSPA. Instead, somebody 'in the know' has already gone back on that agreement. So much for trust, dignity, agreements etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastern wolf Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Yeah,under the rules discussed.Anyone can break any wording down as far as they want to looking for something that is or isnt there. He felt under the proposed rules we could not justify extra losses he felt would happen.Whether he right or wrong is irrelvant,he is a businessman and he takes the view it will increase losses.He is not gonna just try it and see how it goes to be proven right and further out of pocket 9 months later Mate, we've been talking about legal action being taken so the wording of any statement has to be correct or it'll be ripped apart in court. You have to admit that the way that statement was worded it says he can't justify remaining in the EL with losses of 140k (remember those losses weren't made under the 2011 rules). If that isn't exactly what he meant to say the advice he was being given was very poor. Edited December 21, 2010 by eastern wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Latest sport news updated now mentions Peterborough for the 1st time as having being involved in the talks.So hopefully there maybe some good news for their supporters as well. Lets hope so,it would be great news if they are back in speedway.It would be a crying shame if that track was lost to speedway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc61 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 That isn't quite what he said. He actually said (see below) that he can't justify remaining in the EL. He says he FEELS (doesn't know) that rule changes would add to that. We cannot justify or endorse losses of c£140,000 per season in order for Peterborough Speedway to remain in the Elite League and feel that some of the rule changes voted in at the recent BSPA AGM will only serve to increase such losses. and where in that statement does he say anything like " i cannot afford elite league speedway". my wording may not have been 100% accurate but its a hell of a lot closer than not affording it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westo97 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Mate, we've been talking about legal action being taken so the wording of any statement has to be correct or it'll be ripped apart in court. You have to admit that the way that statement was worded it says he can't justify remaining in the EL. If that isn't exactly what he meant to say the advice he was being given was very poor. I honestly dont know EW.Things hanve always been clear from a Coventry point of view but not from Pet'bro aprapt from Sundstrom. My personal opinion is this quote was a bit of a smokescreen ,i may be wrong but just what I feel but I dont know what angle Pet'bro were pushing for in this saga,apart from presumably higher points limit. Its all been a bit cloudy but from Cov v BSPA debate you could see where the problems were there,it was not so clear from panthers side imo. Lets just hope they get back in the EL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Assuming the BBC report to be accurate - and good if it means Coventry returning under BSPA rules and regs! - I wonder who 'leaked' the news to BBC Coventry & Warwicks?? One can only presume one of the Bees representatives!! Once again not the correct way to go about things is it - whatever has been agreed/mediated/compromised I am certain that there would have been agreement from both sides for the 'official' statement to be made at a specific time by the BSPA. Instead, somebody 'in the know' has already gone back on that agreement. So much for trust, dignity, agreements etc! You don't know it was Coventry that leaked anything you are as bad as everybody else on here. don't lay the blame on someone/person/club until you know the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Latest sport news updated now mentions Peterborough for the 1st time as having being involved in the talks.So hopefully there maybe some good news for their supporters as well. Lets hope so,it would be great news if they are back in speedway.It would be a crying shame if that track was lost to speedway. Sincerely hope so,one of my favourite away tracks,good facilities,great racing,got to have great potential,can't fathom why the crowd levels are so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastern wolf Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 I honestly dont know EW.Things hanve always been clear from a Coventry point of view but not from Pet'bro aprapt from Sundstrom. My personal opinion is this quote was a bit of a smokescreen ,i may be wrong but just what I feel but I dont know what angle Pet'bro were pushing for in this saga,apart from presumably higher points limit. Its all been a bit cloudy but from Cov v BSPA debate you could see where the problems were there,it was not so clear from panthers side imo. Lets just hope they get back in the EL You're right that the Peterborough situation has been much cloudier than Coventry's. Coventry have been quite consistent whereas Panthers have been taking action, then not, then taking it again. Then this statement that is being interpreted differently by various people. Also with Bjerre and NKI having gone it makes it even less clear cut. I can see how the Cov situation can be solved but Peterborough baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastern wolf Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 and where in that statement does he say anything like " i cannot afford elite league speedway". my wording may not have been 100% accurate but its a hell of a lot closer than not affording it I never used the word "afford" - and incidentally neither did Frost (he didn't say he COULD afford it)!! He did say he can't justify or endorse it which means he isn't prepared to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigsby Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Sincerely hope so,one of my favourite away tracks,good facilities,great racing,got to have great potential,can't fathom why the crowd levels are so low. The fixture list primarily. Edited December 21, 2010 by Rigsby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 The suggestion that Rick Frost cannot "afford" to lose 140k is laughable. It's loose change to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 nice christmas present for the bees fans , hope P.boro fans can have a similar one in the next few days . I would like to be greedy now and ask santa to give me another gift....the news that ben barker has signed for another elite team. I'm not so fussy. Premier League Plymouth will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 The suggestion that Rick Frost cannot "afford" to lose 140k is laughable. It's loose change to him. quite correct the sooner people realise it the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigsby Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 but Peterborough baffles me. You're not alone mate and I'm local! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorski Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 The suggestion that Rick Frost cannot "afford" to lose 140k is laughable. It's loose change to him. Fair play to him, I hope that the Panthers return aswell all the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 The easiest compromise for the BSPA to make also appears to be the one area of concern that does not apply to Peterborough and Coventry. That is to say Przemyslaw Pawlicki's average. An amendment to that in Coventry's favour might be enough to split the Coventry-Peterborough axis and has the added incentive for Coventry's supporters of involving a deal of humiliation for Matt Ford. Sadly, it's the one ruling that I fully endorse and it is a ruling that should have been made after the Wolbert situation last year. However, for a while now we have had Coventry fans, together with sundry others decrying the lack of transparency in the running and decision-making of the BSPA. They grind their teeth over the spectre of shady backroom meetings and yet one shady backroom meeting later all is well with the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Well I, for one, am glad that Coventry are back - if this is confimed. I only hope that Peterborough can return too. If not - I will miss my trips to the EoES. As I have said many times - we need MORE Speedway Teams and Tracks - NOT less. Of course we do. A shame we lost Ipswich but the only way speedway will return to the EL in Ipswich is with new, fresh promoters. To be fair he has had a very difficult 3-4 weeks.All this posturing is on the verge of coming back to bite him on the ass very soon,I think a lie down in a dark room and some banging of head against a wall is most definately required. I did suggest two weeks back I thought he needed a break as his posts were bordering on insanity but he declined and kept the propoganda machine in overdrive despite contradicting himself numerous times. Its a shame really,Poole are a great club but they get dragged in the gutter by this man. You were shown up as a fool to everyone on the Bees at the BBC thread and are continuing here! Some people never learn! No propoganda from me, just an honest opinion about the worst promoters ever to be in charge of Coventry since the club was formed. I rate Mick Horton higher than Trump. We cannot justify or endorse losses of c£140,000 per season in order for Peterborough Speedway to remain in the Elite League and feel that some of the rule changes voted in at the recent BSPA AGM will only serve to increase such losses. Exactly. A clear statement that he won't continue to justify such losses. £140,000 might be loose change but no one throws away money for the sake of it. If he didn't mean what it said in the release he should sack the member of staff who wrote it! Assuming the BBC report to be accurate - and good if it means Coventry returning under BSPA rules and regs! - I wonder who 'leaked' the news to BBC Coventry & Warwicks?? One can only presume one of the Bees representatives!! Once again not the correct way to go about things is it - whatever has been agreed/mediated/compromised I am certain that there would have been agreement from both sides for the 'official' statement to be made at a specific time by the BSPA. Instead, somebody 'in the know' has already gone back on that agreement. So much for trust, dignity, agreements etc! Do you really expect anything different from Coventry? They think they are a law unto themselves. I never used the word "afford" - and incidentally neither did Frost (he didn't say he COULD afford it)!! He did say he can't justify or endorse it which means he isn't prepared to continue. Exactly. End of the day everyone will be happy that Coventry falls back into line which increases the teams in the EL. If Frost also backs down and falls into line we will have ten clubs which would be great for everyone. Edited December 21, 2010 by Steve Shovlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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