Steve Shovlar Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 well that would be odd cos he weren't even on the invite list. Humour is lost on someone. How's the meeting going Cooke? Come on you must know. Direct line to Sandhu and Trump and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) Here's a thought for all our would be legal-counsellors to mull over: if Coventry (and Peterborough) have asked the BSPA to embargo deals involving their riders are they not encouraging the BSPA to break EU Employment Law? Have Coventry and Peterborough asked, or are the BSPA being clever and protecting their assts so they can't be accused of shutting the door on these two clubs? Edited December 20, 2010 by Steve Shovlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigsby Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Here's a thought for all our would be legal-counsellors. He's on Panthers forum. If you want an argument then go and discuss with Paladin, I'd pay to watch that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Humour is lost on someone. How's the meeting going Cooke? Come on you must know. Direct line to Sandhu and Trump and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Have Coventry and Peterborough asked, or are the BSPA being clever and protecting their assts so they can't be accused of shutting the door on these two clubs? Hardly what I would term the cleverest of moves, to so clearly infringe EU Employment Law in the face of a possible court case that could easily touch upon EU Employment Law, especially when the door has already been closed, or have you forgotten this statement from the BSPA: The British Speedway Promoters’ Association can confirm that both Coventry Bees and Peterborough Panthers will not be taking their place in the top flight after they failed to declare their intent to compete in the 2011 Elite League at last week’s AGM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastern wolf Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) The statement made by Rick Frost does appear indeed to be ambiguous, however had it been his intention not to run in the EL why walk out and commence legal proceedings? It would have been logical to have done what Ipswich have done and apply to join the PL. His actions imply to me that he had every intention of running in the EL but something in the rule changes for 2011 would increase costs to a prohibitive level. . I agree that Peterborough's plans were to run EL which is why I can't understand the statement he put out. If he put that statement out on legal advice then I'd say the advice he's taking is very poor. The wording doesn't seem to do his case any good at all. Edited December 20, 2010 by eastern wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javw Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 I agree that Peterborough's plans were to run EL which is why I can't understand the statement he put out. If he put that statement out on legal advice then I'd say the advice he's taking is very poor. The wording doesn't seem to do his case any good at all. This statement 'update'was published on 28th November, three days after a statement stating they had been advised not to make any public statements. Curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 that will be the teller wont it, no rule changes then coventry have been acting foolishly and questions should be asked around what was the end game. some rules changed then obviously BSPA been caught out! as you say lets wait and see and then we can all draw our own conclusions and set off 100 pages of either, it was a disgrace coventry behaved, or coventry the bully! no one will blame the bspa it will and always will be coventrys fault, apprebtly the sinking of the titanic was to do with us as well Things are never that simple. What about if there is a compromise that gives Coventry something so that this can all be resolved. That would not be an admission of any wrongdoing by the BSPA, just showing that they are prepared to be reasonable to try to prevent Coventry fns losing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 EU employment and competition law I believe In his statement on the coventry website, Mr. Sandhu says: - We have engaged a specialist competition law barrister to represent us as, in our view, we have been given no option by the BSPA but to do so. Efforts to seek resolution remain ongoing and mediation has been offered to the BSPA to which we await a response from the BSPA legal team. If we are unable to achieve resolution by way of mediation, we assure our fans that we shall do all that is possible to seek legal redress as advised by our respective legal team and specialist counsel. Nothing about EU employment law there. I'm not a lawyer but surely the two things are different, as ladyluck pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazaar3 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 What about if there is a compromise that gives Coventry something so that this can all be resolved. That would not be an admission of any wrongdoing by the BSPA, just showing that they are prepared to be reasonable to try to prevent Coventry fns losing out. But having released now 2 official statements, first to initially say that both teams will not be competing in the EL and secondly to verify they are not going back on their word (not exactly but as in many words), it would be an embarrassment and a disgrace to speedway and any other leading sporting council if they were to go back on their word now. The eggs have been put in the basket but Coventry fans can hope and pray to see some of those eggs on faces come March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 But having released now 2 official statements, first to initially say that both teams will not be competing in the EL and secondly to verify they are not going back on their word (not exactly but as in many words), it would be an embarrassment and a disgrace to speedway and any other leading sporting council if they were to go back on their word now. The eggs have been put in the basket but Coventry fans can hope and pray to see some of those eggs on faces come March. So why is there a meeting of the BSPA + Coventry today? I'm guessing they're not swapping cake recipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazaar3 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 In his statement on the coventry website, Mr. Sandhu says: - We have engaged a specialist competition law barrister to represent us as, in our view, we have been given no option by the BSPA but to do so. Efforts to seek resolution remain ongoing and mediation has been offered to the BSPA to which we await a response from the BSPA legal team. If we are unable to achieve resolution by way of mediation, we assure our fans that we shall do all that is possible to seek legal redress as advised by our respective legal team and specialist counsel. Nothing about EU employment law there. I'm not a lawyer but surely the two things are different, as ladyluck pointed out. If they get a compromise to participate in the NL they woud be counting their lucky stars IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 So why is there a meeting of the BSPA + Coventry today? I'm guessing they're not swapping cake recipes. I suppose it's to mediate, since Coventry offered mediation to the BSPA ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no-brakes-uk Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 It seems most of Peterborough's eggs have been poached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no-brakes-uk Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 So why is there a meeting of the BSPA + Coventry today? I'm guessing they're not swapping cake recipes. Does the meeting even exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 No mate, no such thing, just another thread of idle speculation ... OK, feared as much, thanks for the confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 It seems most of Peterborough's eggs have been poached. Peterborough haven't had any eggs since Rik Frost cooked his own goose. And where is the confirmation of a meeting with Coventry and the BSPA? Nothing on BSPA website, nothing on Coventry website, nothing on Peterborough website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javw Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) If they get a compromise to participate in the NL they woud be counting their lucky stars IMO. Without knowing the content and strength of the legal challenge I think it is difficult to see what the outcome will be. . Edited December 20, 2010 by The Mad Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalk11 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) I'm new to this forum and have just trawled through these 33 pages and I have to say how pathetic some of this actually is. Yes, I'm a Bees fan who was gutted by the recent news. I think all parties are entitled to their own opinion and, in turn, they will all feel that they are correct in their views. However, what I believe this does reveal is that whilst this wonderful sport is run predominantly by the owners of the clubs, there will always be turmoil and disagreement. The sooner we all come to our senses and allow a neutral governing body to take charge and set rules for the good of the sport, the sooner the league will even itself out and run on a more even keel and, each season, the best team will succeed. Come on guys and gals, let's agree to disagree and see this wonderful sport we all love move forward in a sensible manner. Edited December 20, 2010 by jay the bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Peterborough haven't had any eggs since Rik Frost cooked his own goose. And where is the confirmation of a meeting with Coventry and the BSPA? Nothing on BSPA website, nothing on Coventry website, nothing on Peterborough website... That's just it. Most are assuming a meeting taking place to day because someone on here made a comment yet there was nothing official announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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