Coventry 99 % Certain To Be In Elite Next Season Acording To Sandu

[speedibee]

King's Lynn - K Bjerre

Birmingham - Kasprzak

Poole - Holder

Eastbourne - B Pedersen

Coventry - Harris

Belle Vue - Zagar, Kolodziej, Hampel, Sajfutdinov, Miedzinski, N Pedersen, Crump

Lakeside - Richardson

Swindon - Nicholls

Wolves - Lindgren

Peterborough - Andersen

as supporter of the stars would you swap Bjeere for Andersen if it was the only stumbling block to petereboroughds return ?

[refereerick]

as supporter of the stars would you swap Bjeere for Andersen if it was the only stumbling block to petereboroughds return ?

Without hesitation

[edb1]

I really don't understand this fascination with the 8 point average thing. A league winning team is one that has strenghth in depth and is usually the team who can increase their collective average the most.

Some of the riders signed as 8 pointers aren't even that good. Richardson? Bjarne pedersen? Both very beatable by plenty of other middle order average guys.

 

Why have an unnecessary restriction on team building? A low points limit already makes it difficult to build a strong team.

 

Also, are there really that few quality riders prepared to race in Britain these days? I suspect the answer must be yes but if we allowed teams to have a a squad of riders surely some if the top boys from abroad would be prepared to come over and ride in the uk on a lesser schedule.

 

That would allow the elite league to become elite once again rather than the sorry state it is in just now.

[Aces51]

I really don't understand this fascination with the 8 point average thing. A league winning team is one that has strenghth in depth and is usually the team who can increase their collective average the most.

Some of the riders signed as 8 pointers aren't even that good. Richardson? Bjarne pedersen? Both very beatable by plenty of other middle order average guys.

 

Why have an unnecessary restriction on team building? A low points limit already makes it difficult to build a strong team.

 

Also, are there really that few quality riders prepared to race in Britain these days? I suspect the answer must be yes but if we allowed teams to have a a squad of riders surely some if the top boys from abroad would be prepared to come over and ride in the uk on a lesser schedule.

 

That would allow the elite league to become elite once again rather than the sorry state it is in just now.

The problem is that strength in depth teams rarely succeed and from a promotion point of view it is much easier to attract fans if you have a "star" rider. In one sense it doesn't matter how good they are in world terms, it is having one of the best of those available that matters. Stars in the PL are not world class standard but they are a draw card.

[edb1]

Top heavy teams rarely succeed and the teams that win leagues are teams with big average increasers. In the pl it's the solid 1-7s that have succeeded over the last few years.

 

I take your point about having star names to attract the fans and surely that's more reason to allow teams to have two number ones sharing the role. That type of shared role would presumably suit a lot of gp riders and if they are attracted to the schedule in the uk they would hopefully be more easy to deal with in terms of their wage demands?

[philfromcov]

The problem is that strength in depth teams rarely succeed and from a promotion point of view it is much easier to attract fans if you have a "star" rider. In one sense it doesn't matter how good they are in world terms, it is having one of the best of those available that matters. Stars in the PL are not world class standard but they are a draw card.

disagree the last three coventry champiuon teams have had strength in depth rather than an out and out number 1

 

of that list above, hans anderson stands out but non of the others

[Gemini]

........Aces51........

 

I explained in my earlier definition of a No.1. He should be able to compete with and beat on a regular basis the No.1 riders of opposing teams.

 

In that case I don't think Coventry have had a true number one for yonks ....even Scott Nicholls used to struggle in heat one when up against the opposition No. 1. Obviously I don't have any facts and figures to back that up but from memory that's how it seemed. Same with Chris Harris, although after the signing of K.K. things improved.

[Aces51]

disagree the last three coventry champiuon teams have had strength in depth rather than an out and out number 1

 

of that list above, hans anderson stands out but non of the others

I think you will find that by last years and current standards KK and Harris are both No.1's.

[Aces51]

In that case I don't think Coventry have had a true number one for yonks ....even Scott Nicholls used to struggle in heat one when up against the opposition No. 1. Obviously I don't have any facts and figures to back that up but from memory that's how it seemed. Same with Chris Harris, although after the signing of K.K. things improved.

You are probably right about Nicholls because at that time many teams had true world class riders as their No.1.

 

Last year however remember that Bees without a No.1 were a very mediocre team until the arrival of KK and the upsurge in form by Harris (not to forget Pawlicki) and because of that earlier season form they only finished fourth in the league table, which is the only true test of performance over a season.

[bazaar3]

I really don't understand this fascination with the 8 point average thing. A league winning team is one that has strenghth in depth and is usually the team who can increase their collective average the most.

Some of the riders signed as 8 pointers aren't even that good. Richardson? Bjarne pedersen? Both very beatable by plenty of other middle order average guys.

 

Why have an unnecessary restriction on team building? A low points limit already makes it difficult to build a strong team.

 

Also, are there really that few quality riders prepared to race in Britain these days? I suspect the answer must be yes but if we allowed teams to have a a squad of riders surely some if the top boys from abroad would be prepared to come over and ride in the uk on a lesser schedule.

 

That would allow the elite league to become elite once again rather than the sorry state it is in just now.

 

 

I don't think you have quite got the gist of how much money promoters are losing yet.

 

Implementing the rule would be beneficial for closer racing in the top league, more economically friendly for promotions and doesn't turn the sport into football with the 'who buys wins' scenario.

 

Plus the only way the EL is going to get back up is unfortunately work it's way down because of the state it is in and make the EL and PL closer and make the promo/releg rule more interesting instead of the laughing stock it is now.

 

It could be worse.....it could be the Italian League.

[dabbsjoe]

Zagar - we were hoping for someone full time and, from memory, not the best of records at BV.

The rest are extremely unlikely to ride in the EL and of those Sayfutdinov and Miedzinski are not No.1's in the EL at the moment. Didn't Pedersen approach KL and was reportedly too expensive?

 

KL said his average was too high for them to take him due to the lower overall team limit

[Dornier]

I explained in my earlier definition of a No.1. He should be able to compete with and beat on a regular basis the No.1 riders of opposing teams. It follows therefore that, all things being equal, you would expect a No.1 to have a CMA in the same range as the No.1's of other teams. In this case 8.01 or above, although, realistically, you need to analyse matters a little more deeply. For example a rider with an average of say 8.5 may have a home average of 10.5 and an away average of 6.5, he would not be a No.1 in my book because he would not be able to compete at that level away from home.

 

It is also possible that a rider with a sub 8.01 CMA could have a great season and achieve a CMA way above his starting average and become a No.1 but no team should risk basing their season on that sort of gamble because it so rarely succeeds.

 

Its incredible what you want I dont think a rider exists who can fit your bill, You want jam on it

[philfromcov]

I think you will find that by last years and current standards KK and Harris are both No.1's.

Your probably right!

 

Us old uns remember true number ones, Olsen Knudsen and the like!

[Aces51]

Its incredible what you want I dont think a rider exists who can fit your bill, You want jam on it

Why. just read it again with unbiased eyes, my description, a rider over 8.01, who can compete with other No.1's and beat them on a regular basis, ie. not the occasional fluke victory. That description fits the likes of Harris, KK, Anderson, Richardson, Nicholls, Holder, Lindgren.

[Pollyanna]

Why get so worked up about "perhaps just another rumour"?

 

I can assure you, ladyluck, I am not/ was not worked up at all.

Just trying to put things into some sort of perspective.

Merry Christmas

[Steve Shovlar]

King's Lynn - K Bjerre

Birmingham - Kasprzak

Poole - Holder

Eastbourne - B Pedersen

Coventry - Harris

Belle Vue - Zagar, Kolodziej, Hampel, Sajfutdinov, Miedzinski, N Pedersen, Crump

Lakeside - Richardson

Swindon - Nicholls

Wolves - Lindgren

Peterborough - Andersen

 

King's Lynn - K Bjerre

Birmingham - Kasprzak

Poole - Holder

Eastbourne - B Pedersen

Coventry - Andersen & Harris

Belle Vue - Zagar, Kolodziej, Hampel, Sajfutdinov, Miedzinski, N Pedersen, Crump

Lakeside - Richardson

Swindon - Nicholls

Wolves - Lindgren

Peterborough - Zagar, Kolodziej, Hampel, Sajfutdinov, Miedzinski, N Pedersen, Crump

[garyy]

Its incredible what you want I dont think a rider exists who can fit your bill, You want jam on it

 

Have to agree. Although a rider did fill such a role in Aces colours

 

IVAN MAUGER

 

Dont get many of them though. I can remember when the then Star or Mail would report headlines if he did not get a MAX in a league match

[ladyluck]

disagree the last three coventry champiuon teams have had strength in depth rather than an out and out number 1

 

Of course, the Bees only finished atop the league once on their way to those three championships - Belle Vue topped the league in 2005 and Poole topped the league last year.

Interestingly, Coventry have never done well with Chris Harris as their No 1 - they only kicked on last season after Kasprzak took the No 1 position in the team. Before that Harris was the subject of much criticism, all of which has been conveniently forgotten more recently.

[iNikeAguero]

Peterborough are not going to allow Hans Andersen to leave if Kenneth Bjerre is not riding for them.

 

Why would Coventry have 2 8+ riders on a 40 point limit.

[alan_boon]

Peterborough are not going to allow Hans Andersen to leave if Kenneth Bjerre is not riding for them.

 

Why would Coventry have 2 8+ riders on a 40 point limit.

Exactly - it smells a bit of Blame The Bees...