ladyluck Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well, Leszno's president Józef Dworakowski doesn't think much of Ślak either and he insists that Ślak is only acting on behalf of world champion Tomasz Gollob and not Unia Leszno's Jarosław Hampel or Janusz Kołodziej: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/20/jozef-dworakowski-dla-sportowefaktypl-grand-prix-w-lesznie-o/&usg=ALkJrhgvi4rBTZB0kEfcby3v1J0VC8L7Jg Which is all very well, but as far as I can tell, Janusz Kołodziej has been the most outspoken of the Polish riders regarding the new silencers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Whatever happened to the spirit of Jozef Poniatowski? Certainly no sign of it being present in Jarosław Hampel or Janusz Kołodziej as they desert Tomasz Gollob on the silencer affair. Oh, they're still against the new silencer, but they ride for Leszno, hosts of the European Grand Prix, so aren't going to rock the boat: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/20/krzysztof-cegielski-jarek-i-janusz-zrobia-wszystko-zeby-pomo/&usg= Rather pitiful, if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 It appears that the Warsaw District Prosecutor's Office has decided to start an investigation into the allegations of Grzegorz Ślak, the lawyer representing world champion Tomasz Gollob in the on-going silencer dispute: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/22/prokuratura-wszczela-postepowanie-wyjasniajace-ws-doniesieni/&usg=ALkJrhiQK4ApnRUunnIvVuwJI8ndpmFk6Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Whatever! I'll be just up the road in Poznan if they decide to let it go ahead. I'm past worrying about speedway and I'll enjoy the long weekend regardless. Rico All sorted out, sort of, in the Green Mountain: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/22/mecz-stelmet-falubaz-wlokniarz-z-udzialem-publicznosci/&usg=ALkJrhi0TGibouFcTSp5Q77iS7LlXSI30Q It looks as if the necessary "mass event" permission is only for the Czestochowa meeting, but I guess that's the only meeting that counts in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Ok i've Googled until i gone goggle-eyed to no avail. Anybody know when the draw is for the meeting? The Facebook and Wikipedia pages just say draw is "on at 1300 CST"!!! Are we still stuck with the awful day before scenario?. It was supposed to be a grand new procedure this year, making the draw a week in advance and possibly at the end of the previous week's GP. We are one week in advance of the meeting now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Ok i've Googled until i gone goggle-eyed to no avail. Anybody know when the draw is for the meeting? The Facebook and Wikipedia pages just say draw is "on at 1300 CST"!!! Are we still stuck with the awful day before scenario?. It was supposed to be a grand new procedure this year, making the draw a week in advance and possibly at the end of the previous week's GP. We are one week in advance of the meeting now. DON'T know who gave you the idea that the draw would be made a week in advance. It was never more than idle speculation in the UK. I am not a fan of the current procedure but it has proved very popular with online hits and foreign speedway media who, unlike their British counterparts, have a lot of newspaper space to fill on a Saturday morning prior to the event and the Friday draw will always provide an angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 DON'T know who gave you the idea that the draw would be made a week in advance. It was never more than idle speculation in the UK. I am not a fan of the current procedure but it has proved very popular with online hits and foreign speedway media who, unlike their British counterparts, have a lot of newspaper space to fill on a Saturday morning prior to the event and the Friday draw will always provide an angle. Too be honest, i hate to break it to you, but i'm fairly sure it was the Speedway Star Don't sue me if i'm mistaken or i'll have to cancel my subscription to pay for the damages. Do all the GP programmes manage to have the rider grids printed for every GP in time for the meeting still? It would be an awful situation if one had to laboriously fill in the whole scorechart and race grids. I'd consider it amateurish and embarrassing if it is the case. Unfortunately, i've never been able to be free to attend a GP (these straitjackets are soooo hard to get out of when your surname isn't Houdini) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 It was never more than idle speculation in the UK. There you go manchesterpaul, don't listen to idle speculation in the UK, Polish rumours are far more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 There you go manchesterpaul, don't listen to idle speculation in the UK, Polish rumours are far more accurate. Chuckle Chuckle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Too be honest, i hate to break it to you, but i'm fairly sure it was the Speedway Star Don't sue me if i'm mistaken or i'll have to cancel my subscription to pay for the damages. Do all the GP programmes manage to have the rider grids printed for every GP in time for the meeting still? It would be an awful situation if one had to laboriously fill in the whole scorechart and race grids. I'd consider it amateurish and embarrassing if it is the case. Unfortunately, i've never been able to be free to attend a GP (these straitjackets are soooo hard to get out of when your surname isn't Houdini) IF there was something in SS it was nothing official and just wishful thinking by those who don't like the Friday draw... but, as I say, it has proved popular by the overseas media including some TV stations who use footage of the draw. At some events (usually the ones where BSI themselves are responsible the programme) separate race-cards are printed on Friday night and loosely inserted into the programmes. But all programmes include a race grid but minus the riders names in draw order. It actually isn't a big deal and seems much less of an issue outside the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 At some events (usually the ones where BSI themselves are responsible the programme) separate race-cards are printed on Friday night and loosely inserted into the programmes. How hard can it be in this day-and-age to run a few thousand race cards through a colour laser printer before every GP...? But all programmes include a race grid but minus the riders names in draw order. Ermm.. isn't that called the heat format which has been pretty much the same since the 1930s? Whilst I'd agree the absence of rider names is no big deal if one uses the Continental (German?) style for the layout, with modern technology it's hardly impossible to do the draw and publish a complete race card in time for the GP itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 How hard can it be in this day-and-age to run a few thousand race cards through a colour laser printer before every GP...? Not sure what you are suggesting here....IF I was buying a programme at a GP, I'd feel kinda insulted to be handed an A4 sheet of paper that had been run off on a printer the night before. I'd be much happier to just have a nice glossy programme with a grid showing the numbers down the left and a gap to write in who has been selected at that number, then the heats across the top and colored boxes to show who is in each heat....60 seconds max to write in the rider names in the grid and all is sorted... As I implied, I dunno if that IS how it's done at GPs. I don't think I have bought a programme at a GP in the last decade despite doing several each year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 Ermm.. isn't that called the heat format which has been pretty much the same since the 1930s? Ermm.. No. Not if you take 1998-2004 into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 How hard can it be in this day-and-age to run a few thousand race cards through a colour laser printer before every GP...? Ermm.. isn't that called the heat format which has been pretty much the same since the 1930s? Whilst I'd agree the absence of rider names is no big deal if one uses the Continental (German?) style for the layout, with modern technology it's hardly impossible to do the draw and publish a complete race card in time for the GP itself. THAT'S what BSI do at Gothenburg, Copenhagen, Cardiff, Terenzano and Malilla... the programmes are produced near Vojens, in Denmark, and for that GP last year they printed the race grid section immediately after the draw and included it in the programme. To be honest I am not 100 per cent sure what other venues do but believe most if not all do print separate race cards that are giuven out with programmes. If they don't they could and should, as you say Humphrey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 Not sure what you are suggesting here....IF I was buying a programme at a GP, I'd feel kinda insulted to be handed an A4 sheet of paper that had been run off on a printer the night before. I'd be much happier to just have a nice glossy programme with a grid showing the numbers down the left and a gap to write in who has been selected at that number, then the heats across the top and colored boxes to show who is in each heat....60 seconds max to write in the rider names in the grid and all is sorted... THAT'S exactly what you get ... As I implied, I dunno if that IS how it's done at GPs. I don't think I have bought a programme at a GP in the last decade despite doing several each year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cholden Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Is anyone flying Ryanair, Liverpool to Wroclaw on Friday afternoon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BongoBrian Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Not sure what you are suggesting here....IF I was buying a programme at a GP, I'd feel kinda insulted to be handed an A4 sheet of paper that had been run off on a printer the night before. I'd be much happier to just have a nice glossy programme with a grid showing the numbers down the left and a gap to write in who has been selected at that number, then the heats across the top and colored boxes to show who is in each heat....60 seconds max to write in the rider names in the grid and all is sorted... As I implied, I dunno if that IS how it's done at GPs. I don't think I have bought a programme at a GP in the last decade despite doing several each year... The Glossy GP programme was sold for a tenner in Cardiff in 2009, which contained a blank scorecard in the centre spread. However, they also inserted a lose colour scorecard insert with the riders names filled in as the draw had been made on the Friday. So you get the best of both worlds. It also means that you don't ruin your programme by making (usually alcohol related) mistakes. You can make these on the insert and correct any mistakes if you wish at a later date on your programme. Only one day to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cholden Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 I'm panicing now - the ticket website isn't letting me buy tickets for Saturday can anyone give me any advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 I'm panicing now - the ticket website isn't letting me buy tickets for Saturday can anyone give me any advice? try http://www.e-ticket.pl/bz1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cholden Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 That's what I'm going through, but the moneybookers payment site isn't working and says it won't make any transactions for 24 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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