ladyluck Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Dear me, and how deluded are they? If they're deluded enough to withdraw their support the sport is in serious trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 If they're deluded enough to withdraw their support the sport is in serious trouble. No, they will soon realise their 'King' has led them up the proverbial path and soon return. Likely with a little less respect for their hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 No, they will soon realise their 'King' has led them up the proverbial path and soon return. Likely with a little less respect for their hero. The indications are that many have already lost all respect for the riders who have timidly capitulated. As iris123 has already intimated, many fans remain opposed, even as Gollob raises the white flag of surrender. It looks to me like the FIM are determined to bring Poland down to the level of other nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 The indications are that many have already lost all respect for the riders who have timidly capitulated. As iris123 has already intimated, many fans remain opposed, even as Gollob raises the white flag of surrender. It looks to me like the FIM are determined to bring Poland down to the level of other nations. And as I have said.. Based upon what? The incorrect ramblings of riders. Riders who ALWAYS complain whenever any change is forced upon them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 And as I have said.. Based upon what? The incorrect ramblings of riders. Riders who ALWAYS complain whenever any change is forced upon them. Based on them liking the noise. You might want to look back to the previous page and BongoBrian's comments, sorry, BongoBrian's incorrect ramblings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Based on them liking the noise. You might want to look back to the previous page and BongoBrian's comments, sorry, BongoBrian's incorrect ramblings. You seriously believe that thousands of Polish fans will stop attending speedway because the noise is a bit less? The new silencers are here to stay. Time you and the rest of the Polish brigade got used to that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 You seriously believe that thousands of Polish fans will stop attending speedway because the noise is a bit less? The new silencers are here to stay. Time you and the rest of the Polish brigade got used to that fact. That's what a lot of them are saying on message boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 That's what a lot of them are saying on message boards. How many is a 'lot'? 5, 10? Thousand? As it currently stands, they may feel they have a reason to boycott the GP. As that is on new silencers, while they are watching league speedway on old. When the Polish league changes to the new silencers, which it will, do you suggest that these . 5, 10, or thousands as you claim, will then boycott their club meetings too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Why not? I won't attend a British meeting due to the disgraceful capitulation of the BSPA to Coventry and Peterborough. My decision is further reinforced by the continued practice of ignoring rules. There are other things people can spend their money on, even in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 People I personally credit with most credence are the likes of Greg Hancock ... vastly experienced, huge talent, great motorcyclist, no axe to grind. You have to adapt a little he says but if that gives the more skilful riders an edge I doubt whether you will hear him complain. Not while he's sponsored by Prodrive you won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 CERTAINLY none of those I spoke to in Leszno (couldn't quite get through to Laguta!) thought they were dangerous or likely to cause riders to fall. KK has quite a reputation for blaming anyone other than himself when he falls. Usually it is an opponent so I suppose at least the silencers make a change. People I personally credit with most credence are the likes of Greg Hancock ... vastly experienced, huge talent, great motorcyclist, no axe to grind. You have to adapt a little he says but if that gives the more skilful riders an edge I doubt whether you will hear him complain. Did you struggle to get through to Tomasz Gollob, or did the two of you speak at cross-purposes? Why do I ask? Well, Gollob is claiming he was right all along and that everything he said about the silencer seems to be true: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/02/tomasz-gollob-dla-sportowefaktypl-z-nicki-pedersenem-nie-zam/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhH56Q02L-67qvtnT5YDosGojppog By the way, since you place so much credence in the opinion of Greg Hancock, here's his opinion: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/01/hancock-krytycznie-o-nowych-tlumikach/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjy022jMs8qttMoSbJEI7d5Ap1TNQ So, Hancock thinks they "suck eggs". Is it possible, Mr Rising, that knowing your subservience to the FIM riders are tailoring their comments to keep you happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not while he's sponsored by Prodrive you won't. Just goes to show it's not as black or white as some would have you believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Why not? I won't attend a British meeting due to the disgraceful capitulation of the BSPA to Coventry and Peterborough. My decision is further reinforced by the continued practice of ignoring rules. There are other things people can spend their money on, even in Poland. So, should the Polish authorites, as rumoured, back down and introduce the new silencers, will you no longer be posting on GP and Polish topics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) So, should the Polish authorites, as rumoured, back down and introduce the new silencers, will you no longer be posting on GP and Polish topics? I've never been exercised by the silencer affair, as I've said many times. I'm indifferent as to whether the old or new silencer is used. I merely post relevant comments that I see, without prejudiced comments of my own. Personally, I find it disappointing that the Polish GPers have sacrificed their beliefs, but there you go. If I had been Gollob, I'd not have been at Leszno and if it brought the end of my career, so be it. Edited May 2, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Harkins Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Why not? I won't attend a British meeting due to the disgraceful capitulation of the BSPA to Coventry and Peterborough. My decision is further reinforced by the continued practice of ignoring rules. There are other things people can spend their money on, even in Poland. "Lady Luck", you are depriving yourself of seeing some great racing if you do not attend any meetings this year. The BSPA/Coventry/Peterborough situation is in the past, so relax, come out and enjoy the close racing we have been having at tracks all over the country so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Did you struggle to get through to Tomasz Gollob, or did the two of you speak at cross-purposes? Why do I ask? Well, Gollob is claiming he was right all along and that everything he said about the silencer seems to be true: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/02/tomasz-gollob-dla-sportowefaktypl-z-nicki-pedersenem-nie-zam/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhH56Q02L-67qvtnT5YDosGojppog By the way, since you place so much credence in the opinion of Greg Hancock, here's his opinion: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/01/hancock-krytycznie-o-nowych-tlumikach/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjy022jMs8qttMoSbJEI7d5Ap1TNQ So, Hancock thinks they "suck eggs". Is it possible, Mr Rising, that knowing your subservience to the FIM riders are tailoring their comments to keep you happy? WHAT subservience to the FIM? I was very critical of the FIM over the silencers, in and out of print, and was strongly criticised in Geneva because of it. Relationships became very strained and even during conversations with FIM officials over the weekend I maintained my view that the new silencers have been introduced on a misplaced premise and the whole business has been badly handled. However, to repeat (yet again) we are where we are. The initial models (Akropovics) were a disaster but King, DEP and Prodrive (although not a widespread choice) have been greatly modified. Of course, apparently unlike you I cannot speak nor read Polish. I can only go by what people (like Hancock and Gollob) say in English, either directly, face-to-face or in response to Press conference questions. Would I be surprised if they said one thing to one audience and something else to another? No, probably not. The bottom line is that the FIM will not go back. The UK, Denmark and Sweden have embraced them. The riders will adjust, as they have in Britain (do you honestly think the racing has suffered here?) and so will the fans. I don't like the muted sound but like it or not we adjust. There were various crashes in Leszno but none could be blamed on the silencers and greater minds than mine, including several top class riders, did confirm in Leszno that the silencers are not dangerous. Would they prefer to use the old ones? Of course. In much the same way that ruders years ago bitched about changes in carburettor sizes. But that option doesn't exist outside of Poland and, if the FIM are true to their word, it won't exist inside of Poland either before too long. The silly thing is that our own opinions are probably not far apart but we are not the ones that matter. We don't make the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) I don't like the muted sound ... Then you ought to be supporting the PZM, which, when all is said and done, runs speedway in Poland an awful lot better than the ACU does here, or the FIM globally. The GKSZ and PZM are great. Hand over the whole sport to them, I say. Edited May 2, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebo Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 WHAT subservience to the FIM? I was very critical of the FIM over the silencers, in and out of print, and was strongly criticised in Geneva because of it. Relationships became very strained and even during conversations with FIM officials over the weekend I maintained my view that the new silencers have been introduced on a misplaced premise and the whole business has been badly handled. However, to repeat (yet again) we are where we are. The initial models (Akropovics) were a disaster but King, DEP and Prodrive (although not a widespread choice) have been greatly modified. The King silencer is the same silencer that was Homologated for the 1st January 2010, there have been no changes to this silencer, at least 16 of the 18 rider's in poland used the King silencer including the top 4, Nicki Pedersen, Tomasz Gollob, Emil Sayfudinov and Jaroslaw Hampel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 As i have been away for the weekend just watched the gp. i thought it was very good meeting all round. very tight field and think its going to be a vintage year. The silencer didnt cause any probs and if anything brought the racing closer. The poles generally went very well on them even though there so DANGEROUS Roll on the next gp i say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Then you ought to be supporting the PZM, which, when all is said and done, runs speedway in Poland an awful lot better than the ACU does here, or the FIM globally. The GKSZ and PZM are great. Hand over the whole sport to them, I say. you really are sound ridiculous now,you don't have a clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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