Ron Butler Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Because it's the third level of the sport, and decisions that affect the BEL and BPL can determine which teams may or may not be riding in the BL. No-one would suggest the BSPA runs things well, but the individual leagues can't simply go off and do their own thing. That happened in the late-70s and coincided with the downturn in the sport. I fear that any further downturn could, to all intents and purposes, prove terminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Well, we're into the first working week of the New Year now... Have heard variously that the delayed NL AGM is either later this week or early next...: can anyone please confirm..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I believe the meeting is now next Mon Jan 10th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I believe the meeting is now next Mon Jan 10th NOT true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannakaffalatta Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 NOT true any chance of expanding that and letting the poor downtrodden speedway fan waiting on it know when its actually going to be then? i have assuemd you know as you have said its not true or is it just that its not happening and no new date has been set yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Isn't it absurd? Getting near to beginning of Season & .. 1)We don't even know how many teams will be in ANY of the Leagues..even PL just may get Cov or Pboro... thus 2) NO fixtures or plans 3) No-one knows what is happening about Averages (even EL team totals) for definite. Has Brit Speedway ever been in such a shambles, lack of info etc as this so close to start of season before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) Isn't it absurd? Getting near to beginning of Season & .. 1)We don't even know how many teams will be in ANY of the Leagues..even PL just may get Cov or Pboro... thus 2) NO fixtures or plans 3) No-one knows what is happening about Averages (even EL team totals) for definite. Has Brit Speedway ever been in such a shambles, lack of info etc as this so close to start of season before? Dont forget aswell some clubs havent released anything about Season Tickets/Admission Prices yet, so we have no idea of how much it will cost to watch our teams this year. Its a shame as I was planning to get a season ticket, its too late now. The fact the NL AGM keeps on getting cancelled isnt a surprise really, the BSPA havent treated this league with any sort of respect for some time. I dont see why the problems in the Elite League should stop this AGM. This league is very important in terms of bringing on the next British Talent yet why dont the BSPA realise this. The way things are going at the moment, I dont really have any confidence that the season will start in March even though a few fixtures have been released. Edited January 4, 2011 by Brummie Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Isn't it absurd? Getting near to beginning of Season & .. 1)We don't even know how many teams will be in ANY of the Leagues..even PL just may get Cov or Pboro... thus 2) NO fixtures or plans 3) No-one knows what is happening about Averages (even EL team totals) for definite. Has Brit Speedway ever been in such a shambles, lack of info etc as this so close to start of season before? Absolultely not . for the first time in many years , the whole of british speedway is being looked at in detail. would you like another load of ill conceived rules brought into force because you cannot wait a couple of weeks until the running of the sport has at least a decent chance of being sorted properly . theres still 10 weeks before the season starts whats the hurry ? british speedway is in a total shambles and stumbling on as it is to appease a few supporters who have no patience is certainly not going help that situation at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Absolultely not . for the first time in many years , the whole of british speedway is being looked at in detail. would you like another load of ill conceived rules brought into force because you cannot wait a couple of weeks until the running of the sport has at least a decent chance of being sorted properly . theres still 10 weeks before the season starts whats the hurry ? british speedway is in a total shambles and stumbling on as it is to appease a few supporters who have no patience is certainly not going help that situation at all. its not about the supporters having no patience more about riders not knowing whats happening then having no time to sort sponsors and equipment etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 any chance of expanding that and letting the poor downtrodden speedway fan waiting on it know when its actually going to be then? i have assuemd you know as you have said its not true or is it just that its not happening and no new date has been set yet? Dont have a go at me have a go at the poster who claims its on the 10th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drvortexz Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Dont have a go at me have a go at the poster who claims its on the 10th might be because of your abruptness in your reply and seeming that if you know its not this date then you surely know when it is? Can you help us out as to when the meetiong will be? I was speaking to two NL riders on sunday at the NYC who also beleive it to be the 10th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 its not about the supporters having no patience more about riders not knowing whats happening then having no time to sort sponsors and equipment etc. yes of course it is . it's a bit daft to expect the riders to wait until we know if 2 elite clubs can sort out their problems and whether they are running or not ,and if the legal challenge about the way the whole sport is run finally breaks up the corrupt boys club , The national league and it's riders are far more important than issues relating to the running of speedway as a whole , and those of 2 elite league teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 yes of course it is . it's a bit daft to expect the riders to wait until we know if 2 elite clubs can sort out their problems and whether they are running or not ,and if the legal challenge about the way the whole sport is run finally breaks up the corrupt boys club , The national league and it's riders are far more important than issues relating to the running of speedway as a whole , and those of 2 elite league teams. no need to be sarcastic, i was making a comment that this mess affects the kids just starting out and struggling to get sponsors to help them run. not many parents can afford to finance it alone, so getting a few quid from people to help is of major importance to us. if we can`t tell prospective sponsors who the lads are going to be riding for if at all then it has serious consequences on gaining sponsorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) no need to be sarcastic, i was making a comment that this mess affects the kids just starting out and struggling to get sponsors to help them run. not many parents can afford to finance it alone, so getting a few quid from people to help is of major importance to us. if we can`t tell prospective sponsors who the lads are going to be riding for if at all then it has serious consequences on gaining sponsorship. Well said. They also have to work and therefore need to book holidays where clashes with riding and work occur, as do the spectators. Edited January 4, 2011 by Great Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 no need to be sarcastic, i was making a comment that this mess affects the kids just starting out and struggling to get sponsors to help them run. not many parents can afford to finance it alone, so getting a few quid from people to help is of major importance to us. if we can`t tell prospective sponsors who the lads are going to be riding for if at all then it has serious consequences on gaining sponsorship. If you don't give them time to sort speedways problems out . theres no point in your kids getting started because the way things have been going there will be no speedway for them to get involved in. self interest is what brought speedway to where it is now ..........on it's knees !this mess affects everybody in speedwaqy and everybody needs to show a little patience until it's sorted that includes you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Not disputing you just didn`t need to put your point accross like I`m an idiot. Sorry but sarcastic smartarses get right up my nose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Jim the whipper i understand your points but do you honestly believe they are going to sort all the problems out with british speedway? I agree patience is needed but on the otherside it just shows how much of a joke the people who run this sport are. These so called professionals are the ones who allowed it to get into this mess in the first place through self interest, these are the vary same people who are going to sort it all out??? The point of agms is to discuss sort out resolve & implement rules changes, not to allow things to get into a mess. A professionally run sport would have tried to sort out the mess from the start, not after the threat of legal action its only come the organisations biggest priority since then, when it should have been dealt with in house & they would have all league rules sorted and planned out for the next few years. All loopholes within rules would be closed so that they couldnt be exploited or interpreted by people seeking to gain an advantage. All this plodding along discussing things is probably realisitically only going to be resolving whether cov & pboro will ride in the EL, or any other league, what averages certain riders come in on, & how they can all save face if a comprimise is reached. I would be highly surprised if every problem that exists within our sport is now being looked at & considered for the good of the sport & trying to create clear directions going forward, clear rules that cant be interpretated differently etc etc etc I highly suspect a number of problems that exist whatever the outcomes of these meetings are before the start of the 2011 season, will still exist by the end of 2011....and will still be left unresolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Sorry but I am utterly at a loss why the problems apparently affecting the Elite League have ANY connection with having this NL Chairmans' meeting and deciding on the composition of the third tier for 2011... As has been said the harm potentially being done to plans of - especially - the stand-alone NL clubs is not something I'd have thought anyone would want to see piled on top of the obvious problems affecting the upper tier too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Sorry but I am utterly at a loss why the problems apparently affecting the Elite League have ANY connection with having this NL Chairmans' meeting and deciding on the composition of the third tier for 2011... As has been said the harm potentially being done to plans of - especially - the stand-alone NL clubs is not something I'd have thought anyone would want to see piled on top of the obvious problems affecting the upper tier too... Possibility of two additional teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Jim the whipper i understand your points but do you honestly believe they are going to sort all the problems out with british speedway? I agree patience is needed but on the otherside it just shows how much of a joke the people who run this sport are. These so called professionals are the ones who allowed it to get into this mess in the first place through self interest, these are the vary same people who are going to sort it all out??? The point of agms is to discuss sort out resolve & implement rules changes, not to allow things to get into a mess. A professionally run sport would have tried to sort out the mess from the start, not after the threat of legal action its only come the organisations biggest priority since then, when it should have been dealt with in house & they would have all league rules sorted and planned out for the next few years. All loopholes within rules would be closed so that they couldnt be exploited or interpreted by people seeking to gain an advantage. All this plodding along discussing things is probably realisitically only going to be resolving whether cov & pboro will ride in the EL, or any other league, what averages certain riders come in on, & how they can all save face if a comprimise is reached. I would be highly surprised if every problem that exists within our sport is now being looked at & considered for the good of the sport & trying to create clear directions going forward, clear rules that cant be interpretated differently etc etc etc I highly suspect a number of problems that exist whatever the outcomes of these meetings are before the start of the 2011 season, will still exist by the end of 2011....and will still be left unresolved. I don't believe all the problems will be sorted . but this is the first time for many years when a situation has arisen where the way speedway is run has come under scrutiny , maybe the end result will be just 2 clubs rejoining the elite league. but I don't think Sandhu and Frost will wish to see the money spent on legal assistance go to waste now that they have come this far . and if nothing else the way the sport is run will have to be added to some agenda either now or in the near future. I can understand people getting a little impatient however the future of two elite clubs are more important than the fixture list of the national league in my estimation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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