Swift Saint Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Nice sensible and easy question for you Malcolm that no-one has been able to answer so far. When is the NL AGM going to be held? No date for the National League AGM has been released as far as I know. Malcolm, is there any prospect of you getting all the relevant NL promoters/managers together in a pub/restaurant/greasy spoon and thrashing something out so it only has to be ratified by the BSPA as a whole? Although I am at Stoke and we are hoping to compete in the National League next season that has yet to be ratified by the other clubs although I would not expect a problem with that. Further I am not aware, other than by rumours, of who has declared that they will run next season nor what new teams are hoping to participate. Finally, I am not a Promoter any more and not in any position to do anything along these lines, which would be improper in any event and carry no weight with the BSPA even if such a meeting were to be organised. Whilst I share your sense of frustration at the present time there are other matters taking place in speedway of which I only have a limited knowledge which may well be inaccurate and I think we must remain patient until such time as the powers that be direct otherwise. I would like to see at least ten or a dozen teams in the National League and one thing that needs careful thought is the points limit which must be produced once the number of competing teams is known and not before. The more teams the lower the points limit and I would like the gap between stand alone Clubs and those primarily for development to be as close as possible. That way we will get close entertaining speedway. Malcolm Vasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canaryboy1 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 No date for the National League AGM has been released as far as I know. Although I am at Stoke and we are hoping to compete in the National League next season that has yet to be ratified by the other clubs although I would not expect a problem with that. Further I am not aware, other than by rumours, of who has declared that they will run next season nor what new teams are hoping to participate. Finally, I am not a Promoter any more and not in any position to do anything along these lines, which would be improper in any event and carry no weight with the BSPA even if such a meeting were to be organised. Whilst I share your sense of frustration at the present time there are other matters taking place in speedway of which I only have a limited knowledge which may well be inaccurate and I think we must remain patient until such time as the powers that be direct otherwise. I would like to see at least ten or a dozen teams in the National League and one thing that needs careful thought is the points limit which must be produced once the number of competing teams is known and not before. The more teams the lower the points limit and I would like the gap between stand alone Clubs and those primarily for development to be as close as possible. That way we will get close entertaining speedway. Malcolm Vasey Just read thorough a collection of "posts" and I'm sorry but I still cannot understand why EVERY time it comes to the National League AGM there is allways a problem/s and this starts EVERYONE having a "Swipe" at each other. At the end of the day we all support speedway, we all support NL speedway, so my message to those so called "men at the top", please get it sorted out !!!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canaryboy1 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Sorry about that, but my reply seems to have got mixed up in Malcolm's post. I'll try and get it sorted. K.K. Mod Note: sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I would point out that the previous post which purports to be a quote from me contains comments whuich I did not make. These are: Just read thorough a collection of "posts" and I'm sorry but I still cannot understand why EVERY time it comes to the National League AGM there is allways a problem/s and this starts EVERYONE having a "Swipe" at each other. At the end of the day we all support speedway, we all support NL speedway, so my message to those so called "men at the top", please get it sorted out !!!!. I did not make this commentr as suggested by Canary Boy and I would ask him to make his own comments not attribute his remarks to me by including them in a quote from me. Malcolm Vasey Mod Note: As canaryboy1, a new user, indicated above it was an innocent error. now sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 CarefulL Malcolm dont say anything wrong against the b s p a.But wy oh wy should what happens in the foreign league affect the National League.Its about time the National League was treated better they have got fans to think about ,in fact Dudley have got more fans than most teams in any league,but if they get messed about they will get fed up and stop bothering with speedway.I think Mike Bowden as done the right thing by moving up,but what will the Stoke fans think if the National league is messed around as if it dose not matter .Poor Dave Tattam is struggleing to convince his fan base that the National League is a good move .But if the powers that be dont get there act together i dread to think of the end result . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 CarefulL Malcolm dont say anything wrong against the b s p a I am sure like everybody else I like to choose what I say not be provided with a quote that I didnt make. Anyway Canary Boy obviously made a mistake but I was writing my post when he posted his own comment. For what its worth I think the National League meeting should have been held before Christmas and I dont really know why it wasn't. I only offered suggestions. However, unlike you Mr BW Double I like to make informed opinions and not offer ridiculous suggestions like you have on another thread ie its ok to have Aussies and New Zealnaders because Major, Briggs and co rode for Great Britain in the sixties. The two eras are quite different and only British Passport holders should ride in our Third Tier League which is for development purposes. Malcolm Vasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) CarefulL Malcolm dont say anything wrong against the b s p a I am sure like everybody else I like to choose what I say not be provided with a quote that I didnt make. Anyway Canary Boy obviously made a mistake but I was writing my post when he posted his own comment. For what its worth I think the National League meeting should have been held before Christmas and I dont really know why it wasn't. I only offered suggestions. However, unlike you Mr BW Double I like to make informed opinions and not offer ridiculous suggestions like you have on another thread ie its ok to have Aussies and New Zealnaders because Major, Briggs and co rode for Great Britain in the sixties. The two eras are quite different and only British Passport holders should ride in our Third Tier League which is for development purposes. Malcolm Vasey Malcolm, Everybody has the right to an opinion, I'm not too sure that BW Double's can be classed as ridiculous - I can only assume you are claiming "informed" is from a legal viewpoint, otherwise your's is surely a personal opinion the same as anybody else's. Just tell me the benefit's of allowing British Passport holders to ride in the third tier - UNLESS they sign a declaration that they will ride for England / GB in the future - otherwise there is zero benefit towards providing the next English world champion. Another point - supposing there are e.g. 10 teams in the league - name me 70 riders who ould fill the slots AND provide entertaing meetings every week. If you take out those from the higher league's and the mature riders who are past what you are looking for the number does not exist. In days of old teams like Rye House took on the mantle of developing English riders and did it exceptionally well, even in those days you could not have populated 10 teams of sufficient standard to bring punters through the door. My opinion - the likes of Nikko at Mildenhall has the right idea with the Academy. Used solely for British riders that could work, and before we have the famous red herrings of costs etc most odf these young lads travel the U.K. to get rides at different tracks anyway - oh, and why not bring the NL down to the old formula of 13 heats that would ,make a contribution financially and maybe encourage supporters to actually stay and watch a second half. And lastly, any club that brings a lad through the academy has a contract OR a binding agreement that ALL clubs abide by - any club that brings a rider through the academy has the right to a set fee from the first PL or EL club that the lad subsequently signs for. Top rider in the Academy side is also the automatic number 8 for the NL side. Kev Edited January 11, 2011 by norwichkev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Top rider in the Academy side is also the automatic number 8 for the NL side. I think this is a great idea although there is an issue with calling 2nd half teams Academy hence why the Nikko Racing Ninjas have been formed. Malcolm and I may disagree with the points limit needed in the National League, no doubt it comes from the age old issue of the different needs of a standalone club and a second team of a PL/EL team, but we all need to work together to make the NL a success and give the young British lads every opportunity. Thats why Nikko Racing was setup and thats why we will continue to work with and support young British riders. Lets hope the NL AGM can be sorted out asap, as many teams as possible can be confirmed, riders signed up and we can start to look forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Just tell me the benefit's of allowing British Passport holders to ride in the third tier - UNLESS they sign a declaration that they will ride for England / GB in the future - otherwise there is zero benefit towards providing the next English world champion. The main advantage would be that it would be illegal to stop a British Passport holder from riding. Surprised that hadn't occurred to you Kev Malcolm Vasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzatopfuel Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Just read thorough a collection of "posts" and I'm sorry but I still cannot understand why EVERY time it comes to the National League AGM there is allways a problem/s and this starts EVERYONE having a "Swipe" at each other. At the end of the day we all support speedway, we all support NL speedway, so my message to those so called "men at the top", please get it sorted out !!!!. next month now, must be big problems at foundery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 next month now, must be big problems at foundery If it's not really going to be until next month I can see disaster looming.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzatopfuel Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 If it's not really going to be until next month I can see disaster looming.... its getting that way for us mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 If it's not really going to be until next month I can see disaster looming.... talk about treating the natiopnal league with contempt. premier riders know what theyre doing now as do elite riders and can make plans accordinglay.we still dont know if national league riders are going to have to use these p.xy new silencers still no idea about which teams will be running and indeed for some riders it might not be worth investing in new equipment with no guarantee of a team place.all this uncertsainty is not good when you have to approach sponsors and you cant give them any idea of what is in place.typical speedway approach to things. leave it to the last minute and hope it will all fall in place.if mildenhall are going to run then they have got a lot of work to do NOW to get people through tne gates again so this delay is not helping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 talk about treating the natiopnal league with contempt. premier riders know what theyre doing now as do elite riders and can make plans accordinglay.we still dont know if national league riders are going to have to use these p.xy new silencers still no idea about which teams will be running and indeed for some riders it might not be worth investing in new equipment with no guarantee of a team place.all this uncertsainty is not good when you have to approach sponsors and you cant give them any idea of what is in place.typical speedway approach to things. leave it to the last minute and hope it will all fall in place.if mildenhall are going to run then they have got a lot of work to do NOW to get people through tne gates again so this delay is not helping them. All I can suggest is that if the AGM isn't going to be until early Feb that the NL adopts an approach where no tracks open until Easter Weekend (late April) and run to end of November - rather than end of October with a March start. This way we may have a chance (new tracks and old; stand alones and 'junior' sides of higher league outfits..) in having a sensible season which can (1) be planned for; and (2) reach a proper conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 talk about treating the natiopnal league with contempt. premier riders know what theyre doing now as do elite riders and can make plans accordinglay. Do they? More than half the positions available (8 teams each having 8 positions = 64) in the EL are yet to be filled and nobody knows what the rules will be or whether it will be 8, 9 or 10 teams in the league. ------------------------------------ If the NL were to be all sorted this week or even next week it would still be earlier than last season. If it rolls over until the first few days of Feb it will still only be a week later than last year. Although I agree that all three leagues should be sorted long before Christmas, let alone well in to the new year, I feel that there is merely a perception of a long delay this year compared to last rather than it being true. ----------------------------------- Forgot to quote but to Parsloes - There's no reason not to start in April sometime and still finish at the end of October in my opinion. We're in the unusual position of track-sharing and I'm pretty sure the plan is to run our meetings between April and October anyway. Other clubs will have more freedom than the Heathens so I can't see why it should cause any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Forgot to quote but to Parsloes - There's no reason not to start in April sometime and still finish at the end of October in my opinion. We're in the unusual position of track-sharing and I'm pretty sure the plan is to run our meetings between April and October anyway. Other clubs will have more freedom than the Heathens so I can't see why it should cause any problems. Some clubs will NOT (trust me...) be in any kind of a position to start until Easter...: which is no bad thing IMHO.. This delaying of the AGM just makes it more likely that they'll be no NL meetings until mid to late April... I'm happy enuf too to end in October but last year taught us a lesson that hesitate in September (as for some reason we did...) and suddenly an Oct. 31 deadline looms large... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I don't know what all the panic is. Surely most teams know within a rider or two their likely line up? In fact I know of one team who has all seven riders sorted for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3.A.M. Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Seems to me the AGM has been delayed to give time to get he Coventry/Peterborough fiasco has been sorted out and the NL is going to be the one suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Seems to me the AGM has been delayed to give time to get he Coventry/Peterborough fiasco has been sorted out and the NL is going to be the one suffer. Precisely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I don't know what all the panic is. Surely most teams know within a rider or two their likely line up? In fact I know of one team who has all seven riders sorted for next season. Well I DO know what the 'panic' is... It's NOT just about the riders who may or may not ride for existing, declared NL sides (though their interests are indeed also being compromised by this wholly unnecessary delay..), it's about AT LEAST three clubs/tracks who may be entering the league (pray God they will..) whose very future is in the balance due to this... This has now moved from disgrace to scandal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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