Vince Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Can't ever understand how the same people who say the sport needs to bring on British youngsters also say they won't watch NL racing - mostly without having done so. Like the other 2 leagues there are good, bad and indeifferent meetings at this level with the odd great one thrown in. The riders are a long way from wobblers and you are looking at 1 second a lap or less different in race times from the PL most of the time. The slower speeds are made up for by kids who haven't yet learned about settling for position and race as hard as they can every lap. If the complainers actually go along and have a look for a few weeks they will be pleasantly suprised how enjoyable it will be I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Can't ever understand how the same people who say the sport needs to bring on British youngsters also say they won't watch NL racing - mostly without having done so. Like the other 2 leagues there are good, bad and indifferent meetings at this level with the odd great one thrown in. The riders are a long way from wobblers and you are looking at 1 second a lap or less different in race times from the PL most of the time. The slower speeds are made up for by kids who haven't yet learned about settling for position and race as hard as they can every lap. If the complainers actually go along and have a look for a few weeks they will be pleasantly suprised how enjoyable it will be I am sure. Quite right. The NL is a professional speedway league, just like the PL. I went to the Dudley matches held at Perry Barr and really enjoyed them. As Vince says, the times were only a second off the Birmingham times (and this was a team which included Jason Lyons and several other top PL riders!) and the racing was just as good. Any Potties who refuse to watch NL racing are simply cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Thank you to the last few posters. Â I believe that I have watched more speedway at this level than anyone on this planet having been at the first match at Berwick in 1994 not missing a Mildenhall fixture home and away until 2000 when I moved to Boston but still followed Mildenhall whenever there was not a fixture clash. This has continued and even last season when I was at Stoke after my two years at Scunthorpe I still watched a vast amount of third tier speedway. I am disappointed that the financial situation has forced us to move into the National League but it is not the end of the world. Â Because of what you have all described and the greater degree of unpredictability at this level I have enjoyed all but a very few meetings during this entire 17 year period during which I believe I have attended welll in excess of 1200 such meetings. Â I am appalled by the short sighted comments of those who denegrate third tier speedway and believe that subsidies should be applied to have tracks in Scotland and now the extreme South West. Â In that way we might one day produce a British WEorld Champion. Â Malcolm Vasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I have to admit to seeing many good meetings at NL level, but I have seen a few processional ones as well, the majority of poor meetings that I saw were at Stoke with the Spitfires. That is what the crowds at Stoke remember, I don't envy your position Malcolm, you have to change a lot of years of neglect of the customers. Stoke's track should be ideal for NL racing, it is a racers circuit and gives many lines into the corners, I hope that the NL takes off at Stoke and that the crowds will return. All I ask is that the presentation of the product on display at Stoke is improved, it shouldn't be hard to do on last years performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Do they want speedway or not; lets get behind whoever pulls on a Potters race jacket and give everybody a chance. The tractor racing and other things did spoil it for me and I did walkout early a few times last year but I'm sure all in power at Stoke realise where they need to improve. LETS GIVE THE POTTERS A CHANCE. Can't ever understand how the same people who say the sport needs to bring on British youngsters also say they won't watch NL racing - mostly without having done so. Like the other 2 leagues there are good, bad and indeifferent meetings at this level with the odd great one thrown in. The riders are a long way from wobblers and you are looking at 1 second a lap or less different in race times from the PL most of the time. The slower speeds are made up for by kids who haven't yet learned about settling for position and race as hard as they can every lap. If the complainers actually go along and have a look for a few weeks they will be pleasantly suprised how enjoyable it will be I am sure.  Any Potties who refuse to watch NL racing are simply cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.  I am appalled by the short sighted comments of those who denegrate third tier speedway and believe that subsidies should be applied to have tracks in Scotland and now the extreme South West.  In that way we might one day produce a British WEorld Champion.  Malcolm Vasey  Well said indeed  I think these comments pretty much sum up my own experiences of the NL and how I feel about those who are critical of it and refuse to attend simply because it is NL.  There's absolutely no difference between the quality of the racing at NL level when compared with the PL & EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Well said indeed  I think these comments pretty much sum up my own experiences of the NL and how I feel about those who are critical of it and refuse to attend simply because it is NL.  There's absolutely no difference between the quality of the racing at NL level when compared with the PL & EL.  As has been alluded to, I think the issue that a lot of fans have isn't so much dropping down into the NL, it's more the manner in which it was done, and the consistent lack of professionalism shown by the promotion. We can't comment on what goes on behind the scenes, as the vast majority of us are not privy to that, but what we can comment on is what we see when we go to meetings. When previously in the NL, you could turn up at the track without any knowledge of who was riding for you that week. The prime example of that, for me at least, was away at Plymouth, when we turned up with, if memory serves, 3 riders (Sam Dore, Adam Allott and one other whose name escapes me) We ended up running R/R, no rider, and borrowing Plymouth's reserve as well as someone who had only turned up for a second half. This is the lingering memory of the national league that a lot of fans have. Combine this with the constant problems when running meetings last season (Close to 4 hours to run a meeting at one point, generator failures, constant grading, sun break then an interval) and it is easy to see why fans are becoming disillusioned with Stoke Speedway in general, and I think the dropping to the NL with no warning was merely the straw that broke the camels back.  If Dave wants to start winning the fans back, there needs to be a complete upheaval of the club. It needs to be 100% more professional in the approach to meetings. If there has to be a break while the sun sets, which for rider safety is an obvious problem, don't then have an interval 6 heats later. Run the club as a professional outfit from start to finish. Get friendlier faces at the gate, and in general, treat fans as customers who want the best product they can for their money. Ok, we have had to drop down, but Stoke haven't had a team even close to challenging for anything since 2004, address this and the fans will begin to accept NL racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 That's the same six or seven Stoke "supporters" repeating their intentions ad nauseum.  Malcolm Vasey  Well I had a look at potters power yesterday and was completely and utterly shocked at the rubbish being spouted. I take it they refer to the promoter as Dick Turpin and the tripe he talks but believe me having read last weeks Star there was no tripe there but plenty being spouted by so called Stoke supporters who really should be ashamed of themselves and find a new hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Well I had a look at potters power yesterday and was completely and utterly shocked at the rubbish being spouted. I take it they refer to the promoter as Dick Turpin and the tripe he talks but believe me having read last weeks Star there was no tripe there but plenty being spouted by so called Stoke supporters who really should be ashamed of themselves and find a new hobby. Â If you had experienced just a few meetings in the past seasons, perhaps you would understand the anger. One article in the Speedway Star will not weigh against years of broken promises, abuse of supporters and general missmanagement of Mr and Mrs Tantrum. Â But what would us "internet wallahs" know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 If you had experienced just a few meetings in the past seasons, perhaps you would understand the anger. One article in the Speedway Star will not weigh against years of broken promises, abuse of supporters and general missmanagement of Mr and Mrs Tantrum. Â But what would us "internet wallahs" know. Â So why do you bother?? Take up darts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 So why do you bother?? Take up darts. Â Slightly harsh. Were you there when Dave Tattum publicly berated fans after a meeting because he didn't agree with things said on the internet? Or when George Andrews specifically told a section of the crowd to shut up? This is what we mean when professionalism is mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Slightly harsh. Were you there when Dave Tattum publicly berated fans after a meeting because he didn't agree with things said on the internet? Or when George Andrews specifically told a section of the crowd to shut up? This is what we mean when professionalism is mentioned. Â And you would call the potters power comments which you are a party to professional?? Absolutely childish immature posts. If they really dont care then why dont they just move on and find somebody else to annoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 And you would call the potters power comments which you are a party to professional?? Absolutely childish immature posts. If they really dont care then why dont they just move on and find somebody else to annoy. Â They have no reason to be professional. They have always gone as far as to state that the forum is separate from the club, and rightly so in my opinion. Do I agree with everything written on there? Of course not, that is the nature of a forum. And yes, I do agree at times various posters can take things too far, but that is their opinion, and this is mine. You can't change a persons opinion, irrespective of how much you disagree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 They have no reason to be professional. They have always gone as far as to state that the forum is separate from the club, and rightly so in my opinion. Do I agree with everything written on there? Of course not, that is the nature of a forum. And yes, I do agree at times various posters can take things too far, but that is their opinion, and this is mine. You can't change a persons opinion, irrespective of how much you disagree with it. Â Fair comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneck Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Well I had a look at potters power yesterday and was completely and utterly shocked at the rubbish being spouted. I take it they refer to the promoter as Dick Turpin and the tripe he talks but believe me having read last weeks Star there was no tripe there but plenty being spouted by so called Stoke supporters who really should be ashamed of themselves and find a new hobby. Â And what team are you a fan of may i ask ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horneymikh Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 That's the same six or seven Stoke "supporters" repeating their intentions ad nauseum.  Malcolm Vasey   Well I had a look at potters power yesterday and was completely and utterly shocked at the rubbish being spouted. I take it they refer to the promoter as Dick Turpin and the tripe he talks but believe me having read last weeks Star there was no tripe there but plenty being spouted by so called Stoke supporters who really should be ashamed of themselves and find a new hobby.  That's the same six or seven Stoke "supporters" who have followed, and yes, SUPPORTED the club for many years, both home and away, and in some cases helped riders out financially, or with finding sponsorship. In return, they are subjected to long drawn out meetings, a crap generator that keeps plunging the place into darkness (last season it happened while the riders were out on track under the 2 minute time allowance, if it had happened 1-2 minutes later...doesn't really bear thinking about), last minute rain offs after days of sunshine, poor, under-performing teams and the utter embarrassment that is George Andrews.  The drop in league is just the straw breaking the camels back!  Malcolm, I appreciate your position and have to be seen to back the club and its promotion, but you have had one season of it, we've had many many more...  cheers  Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boozer Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) That's the same six or seven Stoke "supporters" who have followed, and yes, SUPPORTED the club for many years, both home and away, and in some cases helped riders out financially, or with finding sponsorship. In return, they are subjected to long drawn out meetings, a crap generator that keeps plunging the place into darkness (last season it happened while the riders were out on track under the 2 minute time allowance, if it had happened 1-2 minutes later...doesn't really bear thinking about), last minute rain offs after days of sunshine, poor, under-performing teams and the utter embarrassment that is George Andrews.  The drop in league is just the straw breaking the camels back!  Malcolm, I appreciate your position and have to be seen to back the club and its promotion, but you have had one season of it, we've had many many more...  cheers  Mick  Mick I wouldn't waste your breath mate on replying to some of the posts on here, mostly from people who know nothing about Stoke speedway, as for Mr team manager what a great ploy upset the people who pay your wages I'm sure you will be made very welcome at Stoke,I have read a lot of comments regarding your posts on the BSF relating to your attitude towards supporters but this time you have excelled yourself by insulting your own supporters or is it that you are now ex Stoke, hopefully the latter. Edited January 18, 2011 by boozer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 That's the same six or seven Stoke "supporters" who have followed, and yes, SUPPORTED the club for many years, both home and away, and in some cases helped riders out financially, or with finding sponsorship. In return, they are subjected to long drawn out meetings, a crap generator that keeps plunging the place into darkness (last season it happened while the riders were out on track under the 2 minute time allowance, if it had happened 1-2 minutes later...doesn't really bear thinking about), last minute rain offs after days of sunshine, poor, under-performing teams and the utter embarrassment that is George Andrews.  The drop in league is just the straw breaking the camels back!  Malcolm, I appreciate your position and have to be seen to back the club and its promotion, but you have had one season of it, we've had many many more...  cheers  Mick  What a strange post from clearly a confused man with an even more peculiar username. You are clearly fed up with what is going on at Stoke so please do everyone a big favour and find a new interest where you can annoy them and leave speedway and people that actually care about Stoke speedway alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 And what team are you a fan of may i ask ? Â I have moved from Coventry to Stoke so this season I will be supporting Stoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneck Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 First time i've heard of someone being sent to Stoke! normally the other way around. Seriously though you should not chastise people who have been going to Stoke for years on things you are not 100% about. Stoke could be great if it was in the right hands, as it is its run by amateurs and has been since about 1990 on and off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) I have moved from Coventry to Stoke so this season I will be supporting Stoke. Â I await your opinions of how well the Stoke promotion treats its paying customers. It shouldn't take too long for you to see the unprofessional way that meetings are held. Â Your attitude of if you don't like it don't do, comes across as very arrogant, I hope you don't act that way to everyone you meet at Stoke, they do not suffer fools gladly at Loomer Rd. Edited January 18, 2011 by comebackkings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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