vog Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Can't believe its gone so quiet. Glad stoke got some big meetings for there fans next year I think it being so quiet is a combination of very few Stoke fans normally posting on here, combined with us not being able to sign any riders due to not TECHNICALLY being in the league yet, and a lot of fans still being bitter about moving down. I just hope that we don't go down the legacy that was left to us of the last time we were in the NL, as I don't want riders such as Isherwood, Priest, Hargreaves, Brown, Lowe etc in the team. They were the past of Stoke at one point or another, and this should be a time for looking forward. The hosting of the 2 meetings can only be good for Stoke though, and I can't wait for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) I just hope that we don't go down the legacy that was left to us of the last time we were in the NL, as I don't want riders such as Isherwood, Priest, Hargreaves, Brown, Lowe etc in the team. They were the past of Stoke at one point or another, and this should be a time for looking forward. I doubt that will be the case vog. In Malcolm Vasey you have without doubt the most knowledgable man in third tier speedways history, added to that his knowledge of young British riders is second to none as was shown at Scunthorpe. If this is a step down for a short period to rebuild, then you couldn't have a better man at the helm. Edited December 31, 2010 by PhilK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I think it being so quiet is a combination of very few Stoke fans normally posting on here, combined with us not being able to sign any riders due to not TECHNICALLY being in the league yet, and a lot of fans still being bitter about moving down. I just hope that we don't go down the legacy that was left to us of the last time we were in the NL, as I don't want riders such as Isherwood, Priest, Hargreaves, Brown, Lowe etc in the team. They were the past of Stoke at one point or another, and this should be a time for looking forward. The hosting of the 2 meetings can only be good for Stoke though, and I can't wait for them. Thankyou for your reply vog, & yes thats all true, just a shame that the thread hasn't had much activity on it for a month. Hope you had a nice Christmas and have a good new year. As for next year if we dont run at NL level, then i will be supporting the potters. Hopefully we will but if not then i will be looking out for the results of the potters. Cant see Mr Vasey having a problem in attracting some good youngsters to the club and he will build a team that it going to improve.Personally i hope they keep the rules the same as last year. As IMO this will give stoke the best chance of maximising entertainment & attracting fans, as well as challenging for the NL. Hopefully the stoke fans will give the NL a chance, it has become a much more competitive league, and from watching it for a number of years, IMO last year was its best ever year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil H Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I just hope that we don't go down the legacy that was left to us of the last time we were in the NL, as I don't want riders such as Isherwood, Priest, Hargreaves, Brown, Lowe etc in the team. They were the past of Stoke at one point or another, and this should be a time for looking forward.You may find a couple of them back in the Stoke colours as they are club assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 You may find a couple of them back in the Stoke colours as they are club assets. If stoke sign the likes of Gareth Isherw0000d and Jonathon Bethnell then they will fold in 1 year. Sorry to be blunt, but this is a make or break season for the Potters. The stay away fans will not return to a team of previous under acheivers. Barrie Evans might be a good start, but the only other assetts on Vog's list are Isherw0000d, Lowe and Tom Brown, and I heard a rumour he had retired???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 If stoke sign the likes of Gareth Isherw0000d and Jonathon Bethnell then they will fold in 1 year. Sorry to be blunt, but this is a make or break season for the Potters. The stay away fans will not return to a team of previous under acheivers. Barrie Evans might be a good start, but the only other assetts on Vog's list are Isherw0000d, Lowe and Tom Brown, and I heard a rumour he had retired???? Lowe isn't a club asset, Brown retired at the back end of last season. Evans is the ONLY asset I would have back. I do believe we need a number 1 who people have heard of who is an old hand to help the younger riders. It has to be run more professionally than the last time we were in the NL, and it has to be a team challenging, or I do fear for Stoke Potters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil H Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Lowe isn't a club asset, Brown retired at the back end of last season. Evans is the ONLY asset I would have back. I do believe we need a number 1 who people have heard of who is an old hand to help the younger riders. It has to be run more professionally than the last time we were in the NL, and it has to be a team challenging, or I do fear for Stoke Potters. I think it will be run as professionally as the Potters and better than the Spitfires were. The Spitfires were always a 2nd team but now there is only 1 team so will get all the attention. I think Barrie is odds-on to be included as he isn't in with a chance of a PL place but some of the other Stoke assets could be in as they have experience at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I think it will be run as professionally as the Potters and better than the Spitfires were. The Spitfires were always a 2nd team but now there is only 1 team so will get all the attention. I think Barrie is odds-on to be included as he isn't in with a chance of a PL place but some of the other Stoke assets could be in as they have experience at this level. Stoke's asset list is pretty pitiful at best. Evans, Isherwood, Sam Dore , Rob Grant Jr, Mark Burrows and Dean Felton are the only ones still riding eligible to ride in the NL. Out of those, Evans is the only one I would like to see. No offence to the rest, but I just can't see them being the future of Stoke Speedway. Out of riders out there, I would love to see Tom Armstrong or Damien Koppe (Both Aussies, though I think Koppe has patriality?), and potentially one of the Baseby brothers. I think, more than anything, we need a team that can challenge in all competitions. I would love if we had a big number 1 who rode PL last season, Andre Compton would be a great rider, but I obviously can't see him dropping down into the NL. Jamie Pickard is another who I would be interested in, as he is a solid enough rider who obviously will be looking for a club now Plymouth have moved up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 It needs to be 100% more professionally run than the PL effort last year. Breaking generators, constant tractor racing and crazy call offs will not bring the punters back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Would be good to see Sam Dore back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 It needs to be 100% more professionally run than the PL effort last year. Breaking generators, constant tractor racing and crazy call offs will not bring the punters back in. Your spot on. The thought of all that nonsense from last year will probably keep me away for more meetings than any composition of the team. I was not alone last year in leaving the stadium early due to frustration in the time wasted in presentation of the meetings. C- " Must do better" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Stoke's asset list is pretty pitiful at best. Evans, Isherwood, Sam Dore , Rob Grant Jr, Mark Burrows and Dean Felton are the only ones still riding eligible to ride in the NL. Out of those, Evans is the only one I would like to see. No offence to the rest, but I just can't see them being the future of Stoke Speedway. Out of riders out there, I would love to see Tom Armstrong or Damien Koppe (Both Aussies, though I think Koppe has patriality?), and potentially one of the Baseby brothers. I think, more than anything, we need a team that can challenge in all competitions. I would love if we had a big number 1 who rode PL last season, Andre Compton would be a great rider, but I obviously can't see him dropping down into the NL. Jamie Pickard is another who I would be interested in, as he is a solid enough rider who obviously will be looking for a club now Plymouth have moved up. TA & Koppe would be good signings, along with one of the baseby brothers, & evans that would be a good top 4 assuming that rules stay the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Stoke's asset list is pretty pitiful at best. Evans, Isherwood, Sam Dore , Rob Grant Jr, Mark Burrows and Dean Felton are the only ones still riding eligible to ride in the NL. Out of those, Evans is the only one I would like to see. No offence to the rest, but I just can't see them being the future of Stoke Speedway. Out of riders out there, I would love to see Tom Armstrong or Damien Koppe (Both Aussies, though I think Koppe has patriality?), and potentially one of the Baseby brothers. I think, more than anything, we need a team that can challenge in all competitions. I would love if we had a big number 1 who rode PL last season, Andre Compton would be a great rider, but I obviously can't see him dropping down into the NL. Jamie Pickard is another who I would be interested in, as he is a solid enough rider who obviously will be looking for a club now Plymouth have moved up. I think that you will find that Damien Koppe does not have patriality, it was discussed on the Darren and Sharon Boocock thread, but I think that both would be a good call. Andre Compton riding for the Potters now that would be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think that you will find that Damien Koppe does not have patriality, it was discussed on the Darren and Sharon Boocock thread, but I think that both would be a good call. Andre Compton riding for the Potters now that would be fun. Ah well, not so sure about Koppe with no patriality. As for Compton, he would be a 12 point average, obviously a bit high, but that is the type of rider I would like as a number 1. Someone who can help the younger riders, who has been there and done it on a constant basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think that you will find that Damien Koppe does not have patriality, it was discussed on the Darren and Sharon Boocock thread, but I think that both would be a good call. Andre Compton riding for the Potters now that would be fun. Nice to see you joining in spinny Compton riding NL full stop would be fun Would be good to have him in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I thought Dave wants a complete English set-up; that's the impression I got from reading the local press. If so, then no room for any Aussies etc. Have I got the wrong end of the stick?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I thought Dave wants a complete English set-up; that's the impression I got from reading the local press. If so, then no room for any Aussies etc. Have I got the wrong end of the stick?. Just my opinion but if its about building for the future and with the aim of getting back into the PL. Stoke need to sign the best riders they can that are available. Also as has been pointed out Stoke need to have a succesful season next year, and getting a rider like Compton as well as a couple of young Aussies would be a good way of not only being succesful but attracting supporters back. Taylor was great last year, and there are quite a few Aussies who are not far behind in terms of ability that have been mentioned by Vog & a few others that would be worth taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I would like to see young Aussies and New Zealanders allowed in the National League,say two only per team.In the Elite and Premire i think no more than three foreign riders per team. Aussies and New Zealanders were ok in the sixtys when we could not field a good England side Mauger,Briggs, and Moore,all rode and we called it Great Britain.Do you think one of the reasons people dont come to speedway now is because the riders get moved around to much.ITdoes happen to often in todays speeway people canot get to know the riders before they are moved to another team.Look how long riders stayed with team in years gone by today the stupid points limit and average stop riders from getting any continulty with a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 The British National League is for the development of British riders. There are enough British riders around and a lot more to be discovered just like Scunthorpe have proved. I do not support any Commonwealth riders in the National League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 The British National League is for the development of British riders. There are enough British riders around and a lot more to be discovered just like Scunthorpe have proved. I do not support any Commonwealth riders in the National League. Are there enough British riders around? Assume that every team who rode last year rides this year, with Stoke replacing Plymouth. The league has already lost Mark Simmonds and Nicki Glanz, so that's 2 heat leaders gone, and I can't see Seemond Stephens riding again. Where are the top end riders going to come from? Personally, as narrow minded as it may sound, I'm not too interested with bringing forward the next generation of riders. In an ideal world, Stoke are only going to be NL for one season, so we need riders who will, hopefully, be able to step up the next season. From what I saw of Armstrong, I feel he could be a rider capable of doing that. Another point, on a slight tangent, is why do we not allow foreign riders into the NL? Make it mandatory to have x amount of British riders, 2 of whom must be under 19, and work from there? Too often our younger riders are protected up until they attempt to make the step up, only ever facing people who have a knowledge of British speedway, and then they hit the PL, with a whole new level of professionalism that is brought about from having a multi-national league, and it appears from the outside to be a huge culture shock for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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