Stoke Potters

[liverpool chad]

Getting boring now, perhaps see you there one day.

 

If a debate regarding the future of your local speedway track bores you. Then theirs not much hope for the likes of you!

 

What happened to people with a bit of intellect who could hold there own in a debate? Or people with a bit of backbone, who stood up for what they perceived as being right or wrong?

[Halifaxtiger]

Can you people from elsewhere not understand or realise, the biggest gripe with the fans is about the clowns that run the place, nothing at all to do with NL speedway.

 

Chad man, think what you like, people like you want to get out more instead of commenting on every club in the land, seems to me alls you want to do on this topic is make enemies.

 

 

If you are going to highlight my posts and have a pop, then leave out the play on words. I had a pop at YOU, no other travelling speedway fans. I have travelled all over to watch to Stoke, so why would post that when it would include me.

I havent stated that i WILL travel anywhere, i mentioned the places you have brought up IF I fancied a speedway fix.

What makes you so high and mighty on Stoke speedway and why fans who have put far more in than you are so wrong?

I have no issue with the NL, just the promotion and its half arsed way of doing things. Would you like to pop down and do some work there yourself over the winter ? theres plenty to be done.

 

 

Ok, if its not NL speedway, what precisely do you want or expect of Dave Tattum ?

 

And its no good saying he should promote more without defining precisely what you mean by that word.

Edited November 24, 2010 by Halifaxtiger

[liverpool chad]

If you are going to highlight my posts and have a pop, then leave out the play on words. I had a pop at YOU, no other travelling speedway fans. I have travelled all over to watch to Stoke, so why would post that when it would include me.

I havent stated that i WILL travel anywhere, i mentioned the places you have brought up IF I fancied a speedway fix.

What makes you so high and mighty on Stoke speedway and why fans who have put far more in than you are so wrong?

I have no issue with the NL, just the promotion and its half arsed way of doing things. Would you like to pop down and do some work there yourself over the winter ? theres plenty to be done.

 

 

Right, lets put it another way for you. What makes someone who travels up and down the country in there own free time to watch speedway a quote ANORAK or a WEIRDO? Come on, enlighten everyone!

 

And if you had any brains, you will clearly see that i'm not being quote "high and mighty' regarding my posts on Stoke Speedway. I'm just merely stateing my opinion, of which i'm entitled to. Thats the whole point of the forum.

And just because one put's far more into Stoke Speedway than someone else doesn't make there opinion the right one!

[John Leslie]

The poll is by 74 persons.

 

Therefore at least 95% have not voted at all.

So Stoke's average crowd is 1,480 ?

 

Surely at that level they would be running PL and making a very healthy profit?

[SCB]

I suggest that the poll is meaningless unless 700 or 800 vote

My job used to be sending out surveys to various people/businesses for some of the World biggest automotive companies, we deemed 100 people to be a valid number. Next time you see an advert for Shampoo that tell you "80% of women prefer our shampoo" look at the writing at the bottom, it'll say taken fomr a survey or 80-120 people.

 

74 is a reasonable enough number to get quite a valid response.

 

 

John Leslie,

You assume the 1,480 turned up every week for Pl racing. Maybe 300 were weekly regulars and of the other 1,100 they turned up anything from once a month to once a season.

[semion]

If 100 people surveyed is good enough for Vernon Kay.

[redneck]

If a debate regarding the future of your local speedway track bores you. Then theirs not much hope for the likes of you!

 

What happened to people with a bit of intellect who could hold there own in a debate? Or people with a bit of backbone, who stood up for what they perceived as being right or wrong?

 

The fact that the debate goes around in circles without people like you understanding a fans point of view is the boring bit,as i said previously, if you think the Tattums are so wonderful, then you along with everyone else who thinks the same, send em a cheque every week, the place is a joke infact with Christmas coming up and you are thinking of going to a party, go on ebay and type in Mickey Mouse outfit for your party, dont be disappointed though cos Stoke speedway pops up under that category.

 

What is wrong is for them to take the pee out of the supporters every year for nothing in return, the way they are towards people, this has become the reason behind the demotion, folks have stopped going, is everybody wrong, or are those people who have decided to stay away idiots as well ?

[Swift Saint]

Malcolm, we hear the same thing every year, about this team is going to be great etc.

You state that it should be a poll of 700 to 800 , well if that was the gate , then why the hell are we in the NL

 

So Stoke's average crowd is 1,480 ?

 

I did not say either of these things but 700-800 is much closer than 75.

 

I wonder how many different people attend during a season coul;d quite ealily be more than 2000.

 

You assume that the same people tirn up every week and no-one else ever bothers.

 

74 is a reasonable enough number to get quite a valid response

 

With your background you will know something about samnpling and this is an atypical sample being those with internet access and in a lot of cases those who's expressed views indicate that they are hostile to the promotion

 

When I see a survey result from a sample that does not appear so unsatisfactory in terms af numbers and attitude, constructed after everyone has had time to digest the arguments, I will place more reliance upon it. It is also possible that several people from one household have voted and none of the usual sampling safeguards have been taken. Or did you forget the scientific appraoch?

 

Malcolm Vasey

[horneymikh]

I'd just like to put this in perspective with these details from the Potters Power Poll

 

33% will continue to go

 

45% will not be going

 

20.27% will go sometimes

 

The poll is by 74 persons.

 

Therefore at least 95% have not voted at all.

 

 

 

 

By those maths Malc, if 74 people represent 5% or less then 100% is over 1400 folk. How many times this season have we had over 1400 peeps through the gate? Surely with that crowd every week then the club shouldn't be in financial difficulty?

[SCB]

With your background you will know something about samnpling and this is an atypical sample being those with internet access and in a lot of cases those who's expressed views indicate that they are hostile to the promotion

 

When I see a survey result from a sample that does not appear so unsatisfactory in terms af numbers and attitude, constructed after everyone has had time to digest the arguments, I will place more reliance upon it. It is also possible that several people from one household have voted and none of the usual sampling safeguards have been taken. Or did you forget the scientific appraoch?

It's aways a bit hit and miss and I agree it's not perfect. It could equally be argued that the people posting on a fans forum are the people who are most passionate about the sport as they have taken the time to search out the clubs site.

 

To get a truely representative view, the question "how often id you attend meeting in 2010" should have been asked too, that way you could judge how many people would be going less often.

 

 

By those maths Malc, if 74 people represent 5% or less then 100% is over 1400 folk. How many times this season have we had over 1400 peeps through the gate? Surely with that crowd every week then the club shouldn't be in financial difficulty?

As I stated above, 1400 may be the fan base but not everyone attends every week. Some people will attend every week but some will be once a month and some once a season.

[liverpool chad]

The fact that the debate goes around in circles without people like you understanding a fans point of view is the boring bit,as i said previously, if you think the Tattums are so wonderful, then you along with everyone else who thinks the same, send em a cheque every week, the place is a joke infact with Christmas coming up and you are thinking of going to a party, go on ebay and type in Mickey Mouse outfit for your party, dont be disappointed though cos Stoke speedway pops up under that category.

 

What is wrong is for them to take the pee out of the supporters every year for nothing in return, the way they are towards people, this has become the reason behind the demotion, folks have stopped going, is everybody wrong, or are those people who have decided to stay away idiots as well ?

 

Yes you keep harking on about how you and other Stoke fans dislike the way the club is run by the current promoters.

But the facts are still the same. You can't tell anyone what it is that they are specifically doing wrong, and how you would rectify the situation!

It's no good making up silly little quips about e-bay and Mickey Mouse outfits! Tell us where you feel the promotion is going wrong and how, if YOU were in charge, you would deal with it?

[redneck]

Yes you keep harking on about how you and other Stoke fans dislike the way the club is run by the current promoters.

But the facts are still the same. You can't tell anyone what it is that they are specifically doing wrong, and how you would rectify the situation!

It's no good making up silly little quips about e-bay and Mickey Mouse outfits! Tell us where you feel the promotion is going wrong and how, if YOU were in charge, you would deal with it?

 

Yawn..........................zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[liverpool chad]

Yawn..........................zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

So from this remark, we can assume that "redneck" hasn't got a clue whats wrong with the promotion at Stoke! ( If anything at all) You really do add lots to the debate!

I bet conversations with you are intellectually riveting.

[horneymikh]

So from this remark, we can assume that "redneck" hasn't got a clue whats wrong with the promotion at Stoke! ( If anything at all) You really do add lots to the debate!

I bet conversations with you are intellectually riveting.

Go to the thread ' Stoke withdraw from premier league' in the PL section, post #110. Topgun sums it all up nicely...

[Halifaxtiger]

Yes you keep harking on about how you and other Stoke fans dislike the way the club is run by the current promoters.

But the facts are still the same. You can't tell anyone what it is that they are specifically doing wrong, and how you would rectify the situation!

It's no good making up silly little quips about e-bay and Mickey Mouse outfits! Tell us where you feel the promotion is going wrong and how, if YOU were in charge, you would deal with it?

 

Absolutely right and that's precisely the point that matters.

 

Easy to complain, not so easy to propose workable solutions.

 

The very best of luck to Dave Tattum, Malcolm Vasey & Stoke Potters for next season.

[liverpool chad]

Go to the thread ' Stoke withdraw from premier league' in the PL section, post #110. Topgun sums it all up nicely...

 

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction to get some sensible information regarding the current goings on at Loomer Road.

Everything that "topgun" points out regarding the stadium is a fair comment. But as the next post states, has anyone ever approched Mr Tattum regarding the facilities in the stadium? I've been going to Loomer Road since the early seventies in the first season as Chesterton, and its true that not much has changed in nearly forty years! This is down to previous promotions as much as the current one. Yes the facilities in the main stand do leave a lot to be desired, to say the least!

The only advise i can give, is to set up a trust that like minded supporters like "topgun" pay into each week/month. spread the word about the trust by passing on flyers at home meetings and set up an internet campaign. Try and get some former Stoke rider or even riders involved to add more weight to the campaign, and see if you can rally local businesses to get involved and try and raise enough money to see if you can get/shame the current promoter into investing in the upgrades required at the stadium! Or if, as i assume, Mr Tatum does not have sufficient funds available, he may be forced to either put Stoke Speedway up for sale, or set up a share scheme, whereby your trust buys a percentage of the company.

I feel the only way to approach this gentleman would be by all working as one, in a supporters trust.

Just a thought anyway.

Good luck.

[Storming Norman]

I'll be surprised if Malcom stays with Stoke in the NL. I'm pretty sure he was reported as saying he went there to test himself in the PL so why travel all that way for NL when he could be involved much closer to home? I guess Messrs Tattum, Crabtree and Wooldridge will be sufficient at NL level which should reduce costs.

[stooge]

 

 

And if you had any brains, you will clearly see that i'm not being quote "high and mighty' regarding my posts on Stoke Speedway. I'm just merely stateing my opinion, of which i'm entitled to. Thats the whole point of the forum.

And just because one put's far more into Stoke Speedway than someone else doesn't make there opinion the right one!

 

Fire away with the insults fella, are you struggling to keep this going? Im not saying my opinion is right, or my views. But what i wont take is some bloke who turns up once in a blue moon preaching to me about Stoke speedway. If you feel so strongly about keeping it going then buy yourself a season ticket, get off your @rse and go do some work for free to help improve the place.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it doesnt carry much weight with me when you only go now and then. Been nice having a difference of opinion, take care and no doubt i`ll see you at Stoke at some point.

Edited November 26, 2010 by stooge

[liverpool chad]

Right, lets put it another way for you. What makes someone who travels up and down the country in there own free time to watch speedway a quote ANORAK or a WEIRDO? Come on, enlighten everyone!

 

Come on Stooge i'm still waiting for you to enlighten everyone!

 

Fire away with the insults fella, are you struggling to keep this going? Im not saying my opinion is right, or my views. But what i wont take is some bloke who turns up once in a blue moon preaching to me about Stoke speedway. If you feel so strongly about keeping it going then buy yourself a season ticket, get off your @rse and go do some work for free to help improve the place.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it doesnt carry much weight with me when you only go now and then. Been nice having a difference of opinion, take care and no doubt i`ll see you at Stoke at some point.

 

Obviously i'm not struggling, as i'm posting more than you are on the subject.

 

And what i wont take, or can get my head around, is, someone who is preaching about, what the current Stoke promoter is doing thats so awful, but can not back his/her argument up with hard facts, and HE/SHE can't tell us what the solution is!

 

And your opinion isn't carrying much weight at all, if you can't be specific about whats so wrong with the current set up.

 

P.S., You don't have to go every week for your opinion to carry any weight, It's a bit like me saying, Audley Harrison was completely outclassed by David Haye when they met last week! But my opinion doesn't have much weight, because, i'll tell you, I wasn't there!... But i bet i'm not far off the mark!!!

[vog]

 

And what i wont take, or can get my head around, is, someone who is preaching about, what the current Stoke promoter is doing thats so awful, but can not back his/her argument up with hard facts, and HE/SHE can't tell us what the solution is!

 

 

Maybe he doesn't want to say what he believes the promotion to be doing? There could, in theory, be all sorts of reasons for it, so maybe he wants to keep information to himself until such time as it is right to tell people?

 

I don't know, I'm just stating that could be an option. If information is sensitive, you don't really want to splash it all over the forum