castrolargh Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 know this is going off topic a bit, and apologies to ipswich supporters for that but and its probably not a fair comparison, I used to go to swindon from early 70s as a little kid, through to early 90s with my dad, and BL speedway used to be brilliant, loads of banter, cheering atmosphere etc,in moved to norfolk a few years ago and after separating from the ex(hooray) started going to watch the stars, and in my opinion, and i know there is a 15 odd year gap, the RACING isnt as good at pl level, occasionally you get a belter of a race, usually when you get a couple of el old hands battling it out, a bit of track craft etc, but the other thing is THE ATMOSPHERE HAS GONE .Why? Thats what we need back, atmosphere, at the world cup event 2 it was incredible, my partner, not a speedway fan(working on that one) also said it was brilliant. IS cost cutting the answer,dont know, but El as it stands is boring and far too repetitive, a different team each week with a "wow got to go to that one cos so and so is riding" whether that be i dunno, edinburgh in town so lets go boo fisher, or coventry are coming lets go watch bomber, is what we need.Bigger league, more variety, more interest, bigger crowd, simples! Cut the stupid rules out, tac rides, stop ripping teams apart so supporters can get a chance to relate to a team, put dirt on tracks so racers can race and get out and bloody well promote the sport.Get it on local radio, give out free car stickers to anyone that wants to put one in the car and make people aware of speedway, no one will come along if they dont know its there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovey Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 We had regular race nights brits etc no gp riders weekend racenights in the pl and the crowds keep going down to sometime under 300 ....normal old time fan thinks going back in time will bring the fans it won't times have moved on . Tell you what bring back the one of world final monkey masks Golden helmet and second halfs ....i reckon by your posts you think that would be the way forward So rather than criticise and laugh at everyone else, what do you suggest? Leave it as it is and let the slide continue? So far you haven't said anything constructive or helpful - you really are just an annoying troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Austin Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 So rather than criticise and laugh at everyone else, what do you suggest? Leave it as it is and let the slide continue? So far you haven't said anything constructive or helpful - you really are just an annoying troll. 100% correct Lovey Orion never has anything to say of interest, just smartarse comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) But Orion does know best! I don't let him/her annoy me! All I know that is relevent to this thread is that things have to change at Ipswich speedway and so does the EL! If they don't change then Ipswich speedway and the EL will deterioate even further! I'd like Orion to post saying what he thinks is right about the EL and if it needs to change or not! Edited November 19, 2010 by 25yearfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) So rather than criticise and laugh at everyone else, what do you suggest? Leave it as it is and let the slide continue? So far you haven't said anything constructive or helpful - you really are just an annoying troll. What because i don't think the same as you ? not sure where you been but people have being going about the slide since about 1980 ..and every year it's the old tosh about we can't on like this the sport going to die etc etc . After the AGM we will have El again and a Pl again and speedway will carry on as per normal intill the next season before the drama queens return again telling us that it's the end of the world again . Speedway just like most sports is finding it tough and the main reasons is that people have not got the money to go at the present time and that is at all levels ...Not that The El haters and lets go back 20 years fans can see that . Edited November 19, 2010 by orion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) I've been going to speedway since first setting foot in the Firs back in the 1950's and believe me I've never seen the sport, in particular the top flight in such a poor state. I first went to Ipswich speedway sometime in the late 1950's and I've never seen the Witches at such a low ebb as what they have been this season. I never thought I'd see crowds as low as some of the poorly attended ones at the end of the season! Thats not being a drama Queen, thats the truth! Keeping the EL as it currently is will not help the sport progress. It will only push the sport further into decline! Edited November 19, 2010 by 25yearfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) I've been going to speedway since first setting foot in the Firs back in the 1950's and believe me I've never seen the sport, in particular the top flight in such a poor state. I first went to Ipswich speedway sometime in the late 1950's and I've never seen the Witches at such a low ebb as what they have been this season. I never thought I'd see crowds as low as some of the poorly attended ones at the end of the season! Thats not being a drama Queen, thats the truth! Keeping the EL as it currently is will not help the sport progress. It will only push the sport further into decline! The same things were said last year the year before that and the year before that ... have you seen the low crowds in the Pl this year ? they been droping every year... have you seen whats being going on at workington ? did you see how newport were doing ? did you forget why Gary patch never wanted to carry on at brum ? did see how close the champs came to pulling out of the Pl this year ? Oh sorry forgot the only problem is in the El everythink elsewhere is a bed of roses Ps Stoke have also pulled out of The PL due to high running costs wake up and smell the coffee . Edited November 19, 2010 by orion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 The same things were said last year the year before that and the year before that ... have you seen the low crowds in the Pl this year ? they been droping every year... have you seen whats being going on at workington ? did you see how newport were doing ? did you forget why Gary patch never wanted to carry on at brum ? did see how close the champs came to pulling out of the Pl this year ? Oh sorry forgot the only problem is in the El everythink elsewhere is a bed of roses Ps Stoke have also pulled out of The PL due to high running costs wake up and smell the coffee . I really think you should wake up and smell it too,all of those 3 PL tracks you mention are the same,they are ex-tracks that have opened up and drawn huge crowds for a season,maybe 2,then declined badly,how many EL clubs are complaining they are struggling and losing money? Kings Lynn's crowds are up and they're no longer losing money like when they in the EL and that includes when they nearly won the league As for the same things being said last year and the year before etc,well we're in a VERY different current economic climate,crowds have declined across Speedway as a whole and things need to change pretty drastically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Kings Lynn's crowds are up and they're no longer losing money like when they in the EL and that includes when they nearly won the league As for the same things being said last year and the year before etc,well we're in a VERY different current economic climate,crowds have declined across Speedway as a whole and things need to change pretty drastically lynn's crowds weren't as big this season when i went..(ALL SPEEDWAYFANS ARE FICKLE, CRAP TEAMS =CRAP CROWDS) crowds weakening the product doesn't bring crowds thro the gate esp when prices keep going up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 I really think you should wake up and smell it too,all of those 3 PL tracks you mention are the same,they are ex-tracks that have opened up and drawn huge crowds for a season,maybe 2,then declined badly,how many EL clubs are complaining they are struggling and losing money? Kings Lynn's crowds are up and they're no longer losing money like when they in the EL and that includes when they nearly won the league As for the same things being said last year and the year before etc,well we're in a VERY different current economic climate,crowds have declined across Speedway as a whole and things need to change pretty drastically Not sure what being a ex tracks has to do with anythink the bottom linree is they finding in tough in a league what in eyes is great what about Brum and Stoke how are you going to explain that away ? and then don't forget about the Pl league champions who were having second thoughts about running next year ? Kings Lynn crowds are down by the way this year another fact you got wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennywren Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Personally I think that comparing the EL against the PL is like comparing apples and pears. I suspect that any team struggling to survive in the EL could drop down to the PL and make a go of it. Their biggest outlay, i.e. riders pay, would be significantly reduced and as more of them tend to be based here the travelling expenses would go down as well. I may be wrong but riders in the PL appear more committed to their teams which helps to keep the fans interested - as opposed to the EL where every week at least one set of fans is wondering if their number one is going to put in an appearance or if a minor case of the sniffles will prevent him from flying over. I'm not saying that if Ipswich drop down it will be a bed of roses but I think the club have a much better chance of survival long term if they run at that level for a few seasons. If it happens I look forward to seeing some new faces on the track next year, riding for us and the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 I've been going to speedway since first setting foot in the Firs back in the 1950's and believe me I've never seen the sport, in particular the top flight in such a poor state. I first went to Ipswich speedway sometime in the late 1950's and I've never seen the Witches at such a low ebb as what they have been this season. I never thought I'd see crowds as low as some of the poorly attended ones at the end of the season! Thats not being a drama Queen, thats the truth! Keeping the EL as it currently is will not help the sport progress. It will only push the sport further into decline! I saw lower ones in 2003 (my first season back after a near 10 year absence from the sport)....I will never forget the one man and his dog (or in my case, one woman and her son), feeling on the terraces for the Sky meeting, I think there was about 10 people (if that) standing on the terrace in front of the garden bar! Strangely, even though 2003 was a bad season, it still somehow reignited the speedway bug in me and I bought a season ticket for 2004! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 (edited) Not sure what being a ex tracks has to do with anythink the bottom linree is they finding in tough in a league what in eyes is great what about Brum and Stoke how are you going to explain that away ? and then don't forget about the Pl league champions who were having second thoughts about running next year ? Kings Lynn crowds are down by the way this year another fact you got wrong I said all crowds are down,which they are and all the. Reserected tracks including Birmingham have had big crows to start with,then it's as though the novelty wears of an the terraces are sparse,Workington had 4,000 when they opened and Newport even had around 3,000,iBirmingham were the samet seems theres a trend,it doesn't work out in the end,most of the established clubs are ok,anyhow all this aside Ipswich cannot carry on as they are or do you think they can? Regarding Kings Lynn,I'm going off posts from 25 year fan and Screamer if you care to look back through the thread,yes fans are fickle,600 at Foxhall won't pay many bills,maybe not that much of an attractive figure but it's happened and to carry on EL next year they would need Hampel to return alongside Scott for example The product has got weaker over the years sadly but doesn't that say something about costs? Anyhow It looks like there's not much chance that the "Eliteists" will see things from another angle so I'm done with it,let the AGM decide what to do in their infinite wisdom Edited November 20, 2010 by Gearhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Rumours abound.... http://www.lovespeedway24.co.uk/home/witches_look_premier_league_bound_1_732520 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IW08 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 TBH, I won't be too surprised if indeed it is true what that report says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 TBH, I won't be too surprised if indeed it is true what that report says. I would be , cant see us moving up to be honest. Theres been no indication in the local press here that we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave22 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Would explain why Gary Patchett gave up his interest in the club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 I said all crowds are down,which they are and all the. Reserected tracks including Birmingham have had big crows to start with,then it's as though the novelty wears of an the terraces are sparse,Workington had 4,000 when they opened and Newport even had around 3,000,iBirmingham were the samet seems theres a trend,it doesn't work out in the end,most of the established clubs are ok,anyhow all this aside Ipswich cannot carry on as they are or do you think they can? Regarding Kings Lynn,I'm going off posts from 25 year fan and Screamer if you care to look back through the thread,yes fans are fickle,600 at Foxhall won't pay many bills,maybe not that much of an attractive figure but it's happened and to carry on EL next year they would need Hampel to return alongside Scott for example The product has got weaker over the years sadly but doesn't that say something about costs? Anyhow It looks like there's not much chance that the "Eliteists" will see things from another angle so I'm done with it,let the AGM decide what to do in their infinite wisdom I have already siad that under the louis then Ippo have little choice but to go to the Pl ....but like most understand that someone else could have made a decent job of El speedway at Ippo . You seen keen to blame ippo demise on the league that there in but when pointed out that 6 or 7 teams in the Pl are in the same boat you make poor excuses for them ...the facts are quite clear speedway is finding it hard at all levels . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Would explain why Gary Patchett gave up his interest in the club... And also, "allegedly" Bratleys interest at Ipswich..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 I have already siad that under the louis then Ippo have little choice but to go to the Pl ....but like most understand that someone else could have made a decent job of El speedway at Ippo . You seen keen to blame ippo demise on the league that there in but when pointed out that 6 or 7 teams in the Pl are in the same boat you make poor excuses for them ...the facts are quite clear speedway is finding it hard at all levels . Yes I'd agree that under the Louis it'd be better PL,although with a new owner going EL would mean very deep pockets indeed I do blame the demise on the league,as the league is giving nearly every club a hard time,how many time on here have we heard people say they think the EL is unsustainable I did say problems were across the board too,we certainly agree on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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