Daniel Smith Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 It remains to be seen what the fans will make of it. I think that is the most important thing. If the rest of Europe is anything to go by it won't make a difference but the Poles are by far the most passionate fans in the World regarding speedway and if they don't like it, it won't take long for everyone to know about it. I'm not sure but I think they can still use the 2010 as well as the 2011 silencers. I don't think they've made 2011 compulsory so the difference may not be so noticeable????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) I think that is the most important thing. If the rest of Europe is anything to go by it won't make a difference but the Poles are by far the most passionate fans in the World regarding speedway and if they don't like it, it won't take long for everyone to know about it. I'm not sure but I think they can still use the 2010 as well as the 2011 silencers. I don't think they've made 2011 compulsory so the difference may not be so noticeable????? It's compulsory and take a look at the comments at the bottom: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/16/gksz-wprowadzila-nowe-tlumiki/&usg=ALkJrhjO4Bir1Silrm2yuahtVxVX6cFhuA#Scene_1 The Polish riders have, ultimately, made fools of themselves. You can have no sympathy with them. Edited May 16, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 It's compulsory and take a look at the comments at the bottom: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/16/gksz-wprowadzila-nowe-tlumiki/&usg=ALkJrhjO4Bir1Silrm2yuahtVxVX6cFhuA#Scene_1 The Polish riders have, ultimately, made fools of themselves. You can have no sympathy with them. YOU could always swallow your pride and admit that my post two weeks ago stating that the FIM were determined to bring Poland into line by May 15 was correct... but I won't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) YOU could always swallow your pride and admit that my post two weeks ago stating that the FIM were determined to bring Poland into line by May 15 was correct... but I won't hold my breath. No, happy to do so, although by my reckoning it's 16 May, but a day is neither here nor there. Now, will you admit that it is wrong that Przemyslaw Pawlicki is alone among riders who raced between eight and eleven meetings last season not to have been given an average from those eight to eleven meetings? Edited May 16, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 It's compulsory and take a look at the comments at the bottom: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/16/gksz-wprowadzila-nowe-tlumiki/&usg=ALkJrhjO4Bir1Silrm2yuahtVxVX6cFhuA#Scene_1 The Polish riders have, ultimately, made fools of themselves. You can have no sympathy with them. my god they are getting over-heated about this!! I really cant tell the difference between last year and this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 my god they are getting over-heated about this!! The same could be said about the riders and they eventually crumbled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Robert Miskowiak not happy: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/16/robert-miskowiak-dla-sportowefaktypl-takie-rzeczy-tylko-w-po/&usg=ALkJrhgnL_yFcyuRfKYNJHlzGrpYInYCig#Scene_1 Does he ride in Sweden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 No, happy to do so, although by my reckoning it's 16 May, but a day is neither here nor there. Now, will you admit that it is wrong that Przemyslaw Pawlicki is alone among riders who raced between eight and eleven meetings last season not to have been given an average from those eight to eleven meetings? YES and there are countless other decisions taken by the BSPA that appear to be out of synch with the actual rules. Which is just one of many reasons why the administration of domestic speedway in the UK needs a radical overhaul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 YES and there are countless other decisions taken by the BSPA that appear to be out of synch with the actual rules. Which is just one of many reasons why the administration of domestic speedway in the UK needs a radical overhaul. So you would agree with me that the best outcome of the winter dispute would've been for Coventry and Peterborough to have been excluded from the Elite League? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Robert Miskowiak not happy: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/16/robert-miskowiak-dla-sportowefaktypl-takie-rzeczy-tylko-w-po/&usg=ALkJrhgnL_yFcyuRfKYNJHlzGrpYInYCig#Scene_1 Does he ride in Sweden? starting to look like the speedway world all over has bad managemet decision making! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 So you would agree with me that the best outcome of the winter dispute would've been for Coventry and Peterborough to have been excluded from the Elite League? NOT sure this is the right place for this subject, but no I wouldn't. That is where you and I seem to fundamentally disagree. I don't accept it is for the good of speedway anywhere, let alone the UK, for tracks to close. There were rights and wrongs on both sides during the winter. Far better, in my opinion, for the tracks to continue and for the problems that brought about the dispute be resolved. However, I still think that can only be achieved by an outside agency and as far as I know it was the BSPA rather than Coventry and Peterborough who didn't want that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 starting to look like the speedway world all over has bad managemet decision making! I recall reading a comment on sportowefakty.pl around the time the riders started to crumble (when Janowski et al signed a letter asking to be allowed to ride on the new silencer abroad) to the effect that the PZM and GKSZ were manipulating the riders all along. It begins to look that way. I don't think the PZM and GKSZ ever really wanted to stay with the old silencer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I recall reading a comment on sportowefakty.pl around the time the riders started to crumble (when Janowski et al signed a letter asking to be allowed to ride on the new silencer abroad) to the effect that the PZM and GKSZ were manipulating the riders all along. It begins to look that way. I don't think the PZM and GKSZ ever really wanted to stay with the old silencer. THERE was a suggestion at the time that when the Polish riders threatened the PZM regarding the new silencers by stating that they were "dangerous and would cause accidents" the authorities responded by saying that if they were dangerous to ride in Poland they must be everywhere else, hence the threat of withholding their services in the UK, Sweden, Denmark and, of course, FIM events. Once the riders started using them that argument collapsed and there was no need for the PZM to be wary of legal action in the event of any crashes. And, of course, as much as riders may dislike the new silencers, they would prefer to use one type rather than have different engines and set-ups just for the Polish leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Looks like some fairly serious financial concerns at Bydgoszcz: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4SUNC_enGB359GB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/19/milion-dlugu-polonii-potrzeba-3-milionow-do-konca-sezonu/&usg=ALkJrhjEw4v1oHE3GUP7DWyTrho4IPz1hQ Perhaps a reason why Sayfutdinov is showing an interest in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) The riders from Lodz seem unimpressed with the new silencer: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4SUNC_enGB359GB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/19/zawodnicy-orla-o-nowych-tlumikach-one-nie-sa-stworzone-do-zu/&usg=ALkJrhhkWP2Uy1qQKRmCf7-a4C5ABGOrtQ And they're not the only ones from Poland's third largest city upset at the decision of the GKSZ. The Lodz club is funded by Witolda Skrzydlewski and the club's "honourary president" is his daughter Joanna. Joanna Skrzydlewska is also a Civic Platform MEP and Member of the Polish Sejm. Civic Platform is the senior party in Poland's coalition government. Ms Skrzydlewska is so unimpressed with the GKSZ and PZM that she's demanded they explain themselves, while at the same time petitioning the Under Secretary for Tourism and Sports to look into the decision: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/17/skrzydlewska-prosi-gksz-o-weryfikacje-stanowiska/&usg=ALkJrhgDWYvXoJ5PnMkYoOYI2Wwng9sjXQ http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/17/skrzydlewska-interweniuje-u-podsekretarza-stanu-w-ministerst/&usg=ALkJrhjP8617siqsDU6S_qWYlefZlYaMOw Meanwhile, Andrzej Witkowski, the head of the PZM gives his opinions, including, it seems, an undertaking to review the position if the expense involved for riders is too great: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/17/zawodnicy-tkwili-w-bledzie-rozmowa-z-prezesem-polskiego-zwia/&usg=ALkJrhg1ple1M66ktN0fRFBaQ0ApvyeZhQ Edited May 19, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Damian Balinski will be handing out free tickets to the Leszno versus Tarnow clash (29-05-11) tomorrow: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SUNC_enGB359%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/20/damian-balinski-rozda-darmowe-bilety/&usg=ALkJrhhsvhznZ7xiDGn6R3a-yIQo8-Vbmw But can June01 convince him she's under 10 and would she want to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I don't quite think I can carry that off - do you?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I don't quite think I can carry that off - do you?! I don't think he's that heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I'm so glad I said "carry" not "pull" now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I'm so glad I said "carry" not "pull" now. So am I, manchesterpaul would've been horrified with a post about "pulling off". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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