Cardiff Wild Card 2011

[ladyluck]

Tradition in recent seasons has been for the best performer in the British Final not already a GPer getting the "wild card" for Cardiff, but what about next season? BSI have said that "wild cards" will have to be justified. It may not be the Poles who miss out on having a local "wild card", since the Poles are blessed with an abundance of talent that would be impossible not to justify. It might be the British.

Last season Scott Nicholls scored a mere four points at the sport's "show piece" event and only three "wild cards" scored less than that. Those three were Kus (Czech Republic), Madsen (Denmark) and Carpanese (Italy). The previous two seasons weren't any better, with Edward Kennett also scoring a mere four points on both occasions.

So, will the British Final still decide the Cardiff "wild card" or will we be seeing Darcy Ward take the place?

Edited October 22, 2010 by ladyluck

[Silver Bee]

I think the British Final route to Cardiff will probably come to an end, but I imagine if the likes of Woffinden or Barker are flying high (and not just in Britain) then the FIM won't stop them getting the place.

[ladyluck]

I think the British Final route to Cardiff will probably come to an end, but I imagine if the likes of Woffinden or Barker are flying high (and not just in Britain) then the FIM won't stop them getting the place.

 

Seems like a rather big "if" to me.

[fullbore]

Look who's popped up being disparaging about British riders...

 

Niamh

[superguest]

With just Bomber in the field, the Cardiff Wildcard will be a British rider. The idea to bring in this nominated wild card was to get Koldziej in. There's three rounds in Poland, 1 in Italy and 1 Czech Rep who don't have a rider that could compete, the nominated rider will be used during these rounds. They could basically put a British rider in for every other round.

[ladyluck]

With just Bomber in the field, the Cardiff Wildcard will be a British rider. The idea to bring in this nominated wild card was to get Koldziej in. There's three rounds in Poland, 1 in Italy and 1 Czech Rep who don't have a rider that could compete, the nominated rider will be used during these rounds. They could basically put a British rider in for every other round.

 

Why should riders such as Maciej Janowski and Przemyslaw Pawlicki miss out? Poland wasn't the only nation to get a rider nominated. Sweden, Denmark and Russia (not at issue, since they don't stage a GP) also had nominated riders.

BSI claim that the move away from local riders as "wild cards" is to strengthen the GPs by weeding out the weaker "wild cards" and in recent seasons the British "wild card" has not performed well.

[wjm]

Why should riders such as Maciej Janowski and Przemyslaw Pawlicki miss out? Poland wasn't the only nation to get a rider nominated. Sweden, Denmark and Russia (not at issue, since they don't stage a GP) also had nominated riders.

BSI claim that the move away from local riders as "wild cards" is to strengthen the GPs by weeding out the weaker "wild cards" and in recent seasons the British "wild card" has not performed well.

 

Why should they get picked? It is a "wild card" as far as I am aware there is no set down criteria that a rider has to meet.

 

You could just as easily stick in Tamas Sike as you could put in someone like Joonas Kylamakorpi.

[ladyluck]

Why should they get picked? It is a "wild card" as far as I am aware there is no set down criteria that a rider has to meet.

 

You could just as easily stick in Tamas Sike as you could put in someone like Joonas Kylamakorpi.

 

Why shouldn't they get picked as a "wild card" if their form merits it?

The same criteria should apply to everyone, regardless of nationality. The likes of the two I previously mentioned, together with Kasprzak and Miedzinski should not be overlooked just because of their nationality. If their form is good, they should get the "wild card" slot.

[wjm]

Why shouldn't they get picked as a "wild card" if their form merits it?

The same criteria should apply to everyone, regardless of nationality. The likes of the two I previously mentioned, together with Kasprzak and Miedzinski should not be overlooked just because of their nationality. If their form is good, they should get the "wild card" slot.

 

 

Well why should they get picked? Other than emmm they are Poles, kinda young and not Brits.

 

 

It is called a "wild card".

[bruno]

the wild card will be whoever wins the british final. no chance it will change

[ladyluck]

Well why should they get picked? Other than emmm they are Poles, kinda young and not Brits.

 

 

It is called a "wild card".

 

It is called a "wild card", so it should be "wild". If the likes of Kasprzak are doing well enough they should be picked, if they aren't they shouldn't. However, it has to be the same for everyone.

[wjm]

It is called a "wild card", so it should be "wild". If the likes of Kasprzak are doing well enough they should be picked, if they aren't they shouldn't. However, it has to be the same for everyone.

 

Do you think they should give the Polish GP Wild Card spot to Charles Wright if he goes well in the PL next season?

Edited October 26, 2010 by wjm

[ladyluck]

Do you think they should give the Polish GP Wild Card spot to Charles Wright if he goes well in the PL next season?

 

No, but similarly, he shouldn't get the Cardiff "wild card" if he's simply performing well in the PL and flukes a rostrum place in the British Final. If the "wild cards" are to be decided on merit then it should be applied across the board.

[wjm]

No, but similarly, he shouldn't get the Cardiff "wild card" if he's simply performing well in the PL and flukes a rostrum place in the British Final. If the "wild cards" are to be decided on merit then it should be applied across the board.

 

But surely that is merit?

[ladyluck]

But surely that is merit?

 

Are you just being deliberately obtuse?

I fail completely to see the point you are making. The point I am making is that the "wild cards" should be decided entirely on merit, as that seems to be what BSI are indicating. If a Polish rider is the outstanding candidate to be "wild card" at one of the Polish GPs then he should be the "wild card" and not overlooked just because Poland have four riders in the series.

Similarly, if a British rider is the outstanding candidate for the Cardiff "wild card" then he should be the "wild card", but if there are better candidates then they should get the nod.

The same should apply to all GPs, including Sweden and Denmark.

Now, do you understand that?

[Haywood]

Are you just being deliberately obtuse?

I fail completely to see the point you are making. The point I am making is that the "wild cards" should be decided entirely on merit, as that seems to be what BSI are indicating. If a Polish rider is the outstanding candidate to be "wild card" at one of the Polish GPs then he should be the "wild card" and not overlooked just because Poland have four riders in the series.

Similarly, if a British rider is the outstanding candidate for the Cardiff "wild card" then he should be the "wild card", but if there are better candidates then they should get the nod.

The same should apply to all GPs, including Sweden and Denmark.

Now, do you understand that?

 

 

How is the 'merit' going to decided then? Having a qualifying competition the night before or something? Why not just give the 16th place permanently to the next guy down in the GP Challenge in that case.

 

I suspect with only one permanent British rider in SGP next year, the British GP wild card will still go to a British rider.

 

Cheers

 

Haywood

[wjm]

Are you just being deliberately obtuse?

I fail completely to see the point you are making. The point I am making is that the "wild cards" should be decided entirely on merit, as that seems to be what BSI are indicating. If a Polish rider is the outstanding candidate to be "wild card" at one of the Polish GPs then he should be the "wild card" and not overlooked just because Poland have four riders in the series.

Similarly, if a British rider is the outstanding candidate for the Cardiff "wild card" then he should be the "wild card", but if there are better candidates then they should get the nod.

The same should apply to all GPs, including Sweden and Denmark.

Now, do you understand that?

 

 

The point I am making is what is "merit" surely if a Brittish rider is doing well in there league and has a good finish in there national championship then that is "merit".

[T.N.T.]

The British Champion (or runner up to Bomber) will be the Wild Card at Cardiff.

 

That may be Scott Nicholls, Ed Kennett, Tai Woffinden or Daniel King and whoever gets it will have earnt the place fair and square.

[Garry1603]

I can see it being Woffinden or Nichols for political reasons, but the fairest way would be to allow the British Champion (excluding Harris) to compete.

[salty]

Of course the wild card at Cardiff will be a Brit and I dare say Danes, Swedes and Poles will be chosen when the GP's are staged on their shale. Hard to see Gorican without Pavlic, but I would imagine the Czech and Italian events may be more flexible. One would think Darcy Ward might benefit from the change.

 

Having said that I can see Ladyluck's point - the Brit wildcard at Cardiff has made little impact in the past few years.