stevebrum Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Can someone please tell me EXACTLY which rule has been broken here. NOT ONE!!!!! Just Poole (or certain Poole promoters and fans) claiming that Roscoe lied when saying Pawlicki was injured. Even if he wasnt injured he was allowed to replaced by a number 8 - ANYTIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Peter Adams neither mentioned, nor was questioned on, the Pawlicki situation in that piece. It was put to him that Adam Skornicki riding against Swindon gave Sqora a 12-match average, to possible future disadvantage, and his response was as outlined. I can understand people drawing an inference, but to say Adams "put pen to paper to moan about Pawlicki" is not the case. Unless he's done so elsewhere! Oh c'mon mate. It's obvious what he's referring to. Everybody is free to read it and make up their own minds though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyke Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 So none were broken, just that Coventry were ahead of the game so to speak. So it's the law makers who are at fault - I see. And the law maker's are !!!!! OH speedway you couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 So none were broken, just that Coventry were ahead of the game so to speak. So it's the law makers who are at fault - I see. And the law maker's are !!!!! OH speedway you couldn't make it up. unless they tailor rules to suit ALL or just dictate the rules this will happen year after year after year ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I think Matt Ford has raised a brilliant point about how easily it is to manipulate the average system. 21st, the point made by Peter Adams was more to do with Adam Skornicki's high average for 2011, he prefers to stick to the intergery of the rules, rather than using them for his own benefit. He uses Pawlicki at Coventry as to why he couldn't allow Adam to miss the 12th meeting. In the last few years we have seen some blatent 'rule bending' from Poole and Coventry. It seems to be OK if you're own team, but if It's someone else's it's not. Rule Bending is not cheating, It's just making the rules work for you. Therefore, I can't see the BSPA giving Pawlicki his average, but possibly changing the rules to only allow your number 8 to cover if your number 6 or 7 is actually injured, and the case for giving R/R in tha main body of the team examined and not given if the rider is found to be 'taking one for the team'. Unless of course Wolves have no intention of using Skornicki next year,in which case Skornicki new average won't affect Wolves at all.Didn't Belle Vue only use Hougaard 11 times in 2008,to 'protect' his average for 2009,yet that seems to have escaped any scrutiny.Plus as already been pointed out on here before, Davey Watt circa 2003/04,average was protected by the sport's own moral guardian,an inconvenient fact,conveniently overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Davey Watt circa 2003/04,average was protected by the sport's own moral guardian,an inconvenient fact,conveniently overlooked. Exactly. the RULES suit some teams more than others. But dont bitch if it works against you - particularly if you have exploited it in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 After the Peterborough meeting he rode in Poland. But then was left out of the meeting at Swindon due to his "injury". Telegraphed from the moon of course, it was as clear to see as Barker laying sprawn on the track till the light came on. Steve, Shamek didn't ride in an individual meeting between the 2 Peterborough meetings - which was the week of the Swindon meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 After the Peterborough meeting he rode in Poland. But then was left out of the meeting at Swindon due to his "injury". Telegraphed from the moon of course, it was as clear to see as Barker laying sprawn on the track till the light came on. What meeting was it? I genuinely dont know. Could it have been an official Polish meeting, you know the type where they are permitted to ride otherwise they get punished, When was the meeting in question< and whats wrong with us using a number 8 to give somebody a rest? Why did Havelock come in for one meeting as a nuimber 8 replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 He rode in Germany on the 19th, can't find anything about any Polish meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 He rode in Germany on the 19th, can't find anything about any Polish meeting. OK it wasn't Poland it was Germany. Still, he managed to win the meeting with his "terrible hand injury". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 OK it wasn't Poland it was Germany. Still, he managed to win the meeting with his "terrible hand injury". He didn't. It was a team meeting. And it was 2 days later. AND ITS IRRELEVANT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 OK it wasn't Poland it was Germany. Still, he managed to win the meeting with his "terrible hand injury". Err.....it was a German League Play-Off meeting. Seems reasonable to try his injury out in a lesser meeting, the day before a play off match in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Think roscoes reply on bees site sums it up perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Oh c'mon mate. It's obvious what he's referring to. Not the same as your statement of putting pen to paper to moan about. Everybody is free to read it and make up their own minds though. As I said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Err.....it was a German League Play-Off meeting. Seems reasonable to try his injury out in a lesser meeting, the day before a play off match in the UK. There was an individual meeting he won with 14 points around the same time. I am not saying he rode elsewhere on the Thursday of the Swindon meeting, just that it was reported that he was injured and needed to be rested for the Swindon meeting because of his injury. It's all on here somewhere but I am not going to search through old threads lookiing for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Part of Rosco's statement, referring to Matt: "he needs to look in the mirror" Lol! So right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 There was an individual meeting he won with 14 points around the same time. I am not saying he rode elsewhere on the Thursday of the Swindon meeting, just that it was reported that he was injured and needed to be rested for the Swindon meeting because of his injury. It's all on here somewhere but I am not going to search through old threads lookiing for it. He was second in the Polish u-21 with 14 points, but that on the 11th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 There was an individual meeting he won with 14 points around the same time. I am not saying he rode elsewhere on the Thursday of the Swindon meeting, just that it was reported that he was injured and needed to be rested for the Swindon meeting because of his injury. It's all on here somewhere but I am not going to search through old threads lookiing for it. So apart from Matt Ford, whinging about Coventry not breaking the rules his statement is also based on inaccurate information. Glad thats all sorted now. So these fireworks that were not let off, I am sure Sky were expecting them to be used whatever the result, a pretty poor show from the Poole Promotion, and then add in the fact that some showers had no running hot water, the NL is apparently too expensive to run, are things a bit financially tight at Poole this year? perhaps Matt is thinking of dropping down again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 (edited) Queston for Steve Shovlar 'Are you allowed within the rules to replace any member of your team with your No8' ? Edited October 14, 2010 by mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 He was second in the Polish u-21 with 14 points, but that on the 11th. So he rode well on the 11th, was not capable of riding on the 16th, then rode again well on the 19th. The case rests, m'lud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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