Pawlicki And His Average Manipulation

[Steve Shovlar]

He somehow missed 13 chances to ride his twelfth match. Stitched up? No way - if ever there was a case for the Joe Screen Amendment to be implemented this is it!

 

[beesboybert]

Did'nt they say Pawlicki was injured, but he still managed to ride in Poland.

 

So a broken thumb is not an injury?

 

 

Then I hope we won't hear any bleating from you next year when Coventry start the season 2.18 points better off than the rest of us.

 

It'll be more than 2.18 due to the likes of Bomber, Kennett, Barker, Bridger all being viable options for team building and getting their 25% deduction due to being british

 

 

Thats right. He rode a few BLC meetings as Bazaar said. So he was brought in the following year, on a 4, which is what he would have been brought in on regardless of his trial the season before.

 

No argument here. He was always a 4 pointer

 

 

Ahh so that play-off final and KOC final in 2003 were just BLC meetings were they?

[Barney Rabbit]

You can't win, we often have people saying speedway is a joke due to the lack of a squad system. Coventry use one and people then claim, "this just shows why so many sports fans refuse to take speedway seriously". Frankly, no speedway fan (and a lot of speedway fans) will have no idea what this fuss is about.

 

But as you say, the EL doesn't operate a squad system so how can Coventry be right utilising one. It compounds the fact that speedway rules are constantly broken/circumvented with impunity.

Edited October 18, 2010 by Barney Rabbit

[Steve Shovlar]

So a broken thumb is not an injury?

 

Not if he continues to ride on the continent. Coventry should have told him to give his meeting in Germany a miss. Because he rode ( and only dropped one point), they have blown it.

 

It'll be more than 2.18 due to the likes of Bomber, Kennett, Barker, Bridger all being viable options for team building and getting their 25% deduction due to being british

 

 

I have no problem with the Brits getting a 2.5% discount.

 

 

 

Ahh so that play-off final and KOC final in 2003 were just BLC meetings were they?

 

No but they were not EL season meetings. He could easily have been a duffer ( not likely given Matt Fords track record) but he would have been a 4 pointer regardless.

 

But as you say, the EL doesn't operate a squad system so how can Coventry be right utilising one. It compounds the fact that speedway rules are constantly broken/circumvented with impunity.

 

Exactly. Teams should field their best team at all times. There is no rule which allows riders to be "rested".

[foreverblue]

When Madsen rejoined Poole this season after riding last season on an assessed 4 point average,it was said he should have come back on a 5 point average,but if Pawlicki returns next season it is said he should return on a 4 point average when his average this season must be over 6 abroad i would have thought.The difference?

[mitch]

NURSE !

[SCB]

But as you say, the EL doesn't operate a squad system so how can Coventry be right utilising one. It compounds the fact that speedway rules are constantly broken/circumvented with impunity.

It does, a number 8 is a squad rider.

 

There is nothing in the rule book that says you have to use your 1-7 in every meeting. Conversly, the following appears,

18.1.5.1 If no facility is applicable then provided it conforms additionally to SR 18.3;

a) In the EL, that Teams #8, or a PL Rider with a PL CMA of 6.00 or less.

Now if the moral police (Barney Rabbit, Matt Ford and Steve Shovlar) are correct, why the hell is there an explicit rule that allows what Coventry have done? It's not a loop-hole as someone suggested, it's a out and out, non-contentious rule.

 

What does that rule mean to you then? If it's not how Coventry Speedway have interperated it? At what point in the rule book is it even implied that teams should always use there official, declared 1-7. Why do you think teams have to have a number 8?

[Gearhead]

Mr Shovel-it ,It's painfully obvious to see it's been done plenty of times before,its not against the rules so why don't you put down the crackpipe,finally get some help to remove that blue anorak you've had on since mid-march, seek some counselling and try to get on with your life,three words sum this thread up,Dead,,Horse and Flog..

[superguest]

When Madsen rejoined Poole this season after riding last season on an assessed 4 point average,it was said he should have come back on a 5 point average,but if Pawlicki returns next season it is said he should return on a 4 point average when his average this season must be over 6 abroad i would have thought.The difference?

Madsen averaged over 6 in Sweden, so really should have been on a 5.00 for 2010, but they decided to allow him to ride on 4.00 as that was what Poole had bought him on at the end of of 2009.

 

Pawlicki, under the same circumstances as Madsen should retain his 4.00 average (if he isn't given an 11 meeting average) But Do two wrongs make a right?

 

I personally think It's time for the assessed average to go up. Assessed riders under 21 should come in on 5.00, over 21, 6.00. If age settles it, then no-one can fiddle it surely? Plus time and time again teams will look abroad for that mystery 4.00 rider who will average 6.00. Maybe some of the money flashed at these 'bargain' riders can be spent on investing in British riders!

Edited October 18, 2010 by superguest

[Steve Shovlar]

It does, a number 8 is a squad rider.

 

There is nothing in the rule book that says you have to use your 1-7 in every meeting. Conversly, the following appears,

 

Now if the moral police (Barney Rabbit, Matt Ford and Steve Shovlar) are correct, why the hell is there an explicit rule that allows what Coventry have done? It's not a loop-hole as someone suggested, it's a out and out, non-contentious rule.

 

What does that rule mean to you then? If it's not how Coventry Speedway have interperated it? At what point in the rule book is it even implied that teams should always use there official, declared 1-7. Why do you think teams have to have a number 8?

 

The rule is NOT there to rest riders on a whim. It is there so that IF there is a clash with a meeting abroad (a Pole riding in a Polish League meeting) or a double up reserve riding for his Premier League club, Then the number 8 should be used.

 

It is not there to rest a rider to keep his average down and to stop him from reaching 12 meetings and a new average plus moving up into th team. And probably the very reason why Matt Ford alledgedly asked to see Pawlicki's Doctors note.

[Simon G]

We still harping on about this, if they broke any rules then the BSPA would have stepped in and actioned it.

 

No rules were broken just used to Bees advantage and fair play to Rosco

[7oakseagle]

The rule is NOT there to rest riders on a whim. It is there so that IF there is a clash with a meeting abroad (a Pole riding in a Polish League meeting) or a double up reserve riding for his Premier League club, Then the number 8 should be used.

 

It is not there to rest a rider to keep his average down and to stop him from reaching 12 meetings and a new average plus moving up into th team. And probably the very reason why Matt Ford alledgedly asked to see Pawlicki's Doctors note.

Does he have the same doctor as Screen?

[Sprog1]

Not if he continues to ride on the continent. Coventry should have told him to give his meeting in Germany a miss. Because he rode ( and only dropped one point), they have blown it.".

 

Coventry have no power to tell him he can't ride elsewhere when he is not riding for them. Just as Poole have no pwer to stop the likes of Doyle and Holder riding moto-cross when they don't have ameeting.

[Authorised]

As a Coventry fan who cried foul last season at Poole, it would be wrong for me to defend Covenntry's action. I am still annoyed about Jordan Frampton's average; he shouldn't have been dragged into it.

 

I have a problem with Alun Rossiter 'wrapping in cotton wool', everyone will be 'at it' if that is now a reasonable excuse. Did he really compare himself to Sir Alex Ferguson?? Football is different, riders are employed by clubs, speedway tracks do not have this luxury.....

 

Coventry won the title, and the rule book says it was legit. It is good enough for me and this thread is an attempt to taint the victory.

[javw]

Quote from Rosco on the Bees website:-

 

"It's just like Sir Alex Ferguson resting a player who's carrying an injury from a less-important game if he has a big Final on the horizon. We acted within the rulebook all the way, and it was my decision to wrap Pawlicki up in cotton wool.

 

"I wouldn't have been able to do that if the cut-off for the play-offs had been extended by a week as we had requested so that everyone would have done 32 matches. I would have had to have risked him, and that of course would have guaranteed him getting a new average, but it was decided not to have the cut-off extended.

 

Funny old world, And, of course the rest is history!

 

Coventry Bees 2010 Elite League Champions.

[Steve Shovlar]

As a Coventry fan who cried foul last season at Poole, it would be wrong for me to defend Covenntry's action. I am still annoyed about Jordan Frampton's average; he shouldn't have been dragged into it.

 

I have a problem with Alun Rossiter 'wrapping in cotton wool', everyone will be 'at it' if that is now a reasonable excuse. Did he really compare himself to Sir Alex Ferguson?? Football is different, riders are employed by clubs, speedway tracks do not have this luxury.....

 

Coventry won the title, and the rule book says it was legit. It is good enough for me and this thread is an attempt to taint the victory.

 

In the space of three lines of text you have done a complete U Turn. First you say it would be wrong to defend Coventrys actions because you cried foul last year, then you say it is good enough for me (yourself)as an attempt to taint Coventrys victory!

 

Make your mind up!

Edited October 18, 2010 by Steve Shovlar

[Chris Brown]

The rule is NOT there to rest riders on a whim. It is there so that IF there is a clash with a meeting abroad (a Pole riding in a Polish League meeting) or a double up reserve riding for his Premier League club, Then the number 8 should be used.

 

It is not there to rest a rider to keep his average down and to stop him from reaching 12 meetings and a new average plus moving up into th team. And probably the very reason why Matt Ford alledgedly asked to see Pawlicki's Doctors note.

 

Steve

 

Poo le did exactly this last season with Joe Screen in order to manipulate averages and you saw nothing wriong with it then.

 

What's difference ?

[Authorised]

In the space of three lines of text you have done a complete U Turn. First you say it would be wrong to defend Coventrys actions because you cried foul last year, then you say it is good enough for me (yourself)as an attempt to taint Coventrys victory!

 

Make your mind up!

 

I don't agree with resting riders, but if it is in the rulebook, then it is a rule, it might not be sporting which I like to see, but sporting is not necessarily written rules, is it???? After all, I am a paying fan, I want to see the best 14 riders on show (no r/r's, guests or PL riders filling in, riders being wrapped in cotton wool), thats what I call sporting. This is completely contradicted by the rule book.

 

In 5 or 10 years time, people will forget about how this title was won, about your complaints. It will just be a line in history which say Coventry win in 2010. Poole's 2010 dream team will be a legacy for their failings, rather than Coventry's success. Everytime a team goes away at the top, Pearson will wail, "Remember Poole making a mess of it in 2010".

 

Regardless, the loss of the title should be blamed on Ward, Holder and King Artur. Can you point me in the direction of your match report which I so keenly follow throughout the course of the season so I can see what you made of them?

How do you plan your team building with the averages you have? Would you like KK back - after all, he won a title y'know? Concentrate on Poole.

[Steve Shovlar]

Steve

 

Poo le did exactly this last season with Joe Screen in order to manipulate averages and you saw nothing wriong with it then.

 

What's difference ?

 

And what happened? Screen had his average raised and the title race altered from 6 teams to 4. Nothing gained by it.

 

Should Pawlicki and Coventry gain by him "being wrapped in cotton wool"? If the rules are applied the same, Pawlicki is on 6.18 in 2011.

[bigcatdiary]

And what happened? Screen had his average raised and the title race altered from 6 teams to 4. Nothing gained by it.

 

Should Pawlicki and Coventry gain by him "being wrapped in cotton wool"? If the rules are applied the same, Pawlicki is on 6.18 in 2011.

 

 

So basically you are complaining about Pawlicki, because as you didnt get away with it in 2009 you dont feel any other team should get away with either.

 

I wouldnt worry about Steve its clearly going to get raised at the BSPA AGM as Im sure the vice chair has raised it at one of the recent MC meetings