gary moore Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 One things for sure. He will never ride for a "haven't won jack in 40 odd years and counting team". What a childish response!! How old are you? It beggars belief. Thats me done for this thread!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blue Bee Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 No. It would be hilarious though to steal him from under Coventry's noses when they are the ones who have manipulated his average. He is not a Coventry asset and clearly prefers the Poole tack to Brandon. Matt should get on the phone to him. But surely Fat Maud's conscience would not allow him to ride on a 4pt average isn't this where we started oracle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 It was all a lot easier when you got an average after 6 matches. Why did that change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt09 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Its time to bed this thred and we were beaten by the better team over 2 legs,there will always be a team that say's ifs ,but's and should be's but the way that British Speedway is run is a joke and its way over due to pull the sport into the 21st century.The powers should say 8 full matches for a riders avg and if he misses his last one through illnes or injury he cannot ride in another country or face a ban in uk simple that would stop the farting about . I would prefer a squad system which would allow the top riders to have a break and then you would see more of them,also stop this loan system where a owned rider can ride against his home club affectivly cup tieing him,but by having the squad they can replace him from within. It never happens in other sports so why this one, and as for the Elite league well the team that finishes top with most points wins and have a 4 team challange just for the top 4 ,much fairer and based over a seasons work not 4 matches. Until this is sorted out many long term fans will vote with there feet and say why pay£50 + to take a family out for a poorly run sport... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) I would love to see a meeting between the two same teams on a Netural well prepared track, then lets see what the result would be!!! More asinine remarks from down South, first we have Ford's "opinion" which is based on inaccuracies, then we have virtually every comment that Shovlar's post to be complete and utter balderdash, I especially enjoyed his attempts at trying to suggest Poole should sign Shamek as he has not 12 meetings...... bless him. Then we have a Poole fan wanting to see the teams race on a well prepared neutral track, why would you want that, we beat you on a well prepared Poole track didnt we? As for TNT I would give it up already, the first example you use basically destroys your arguement as Auty would not be able to double up if he had attained a 9.7 average while riding for Sheffield. The fact is Shamek was carrying an injury, our medical and management team ruled it would be in his best interests not to ride, we did not use a facility, we used our number 8 to cover for him. They were so unsure as to whether Pawlicki would be able to perform that we ensured our number 8 was at track ready to go if he was needed. Where was the Poole number 8? We are a professional club, you can see that, in the way the club provides for its riders, they do everything they can to ensure they are at their peak while riding for the Bees, the back room staff at Brandon I would suggest is better than at any other Elite team, basically we were prepared to win. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Edited October 15, 2010 by Sir Jasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 PirateNick, you are a credit to your team and fans and its noive to know that poole fans share the same opinion on certain posters. we will always welcome you back in the bar with the banter that we had great fun! the only point i would make about shamek, is that in the first leg he only had four rides and we won by 12 points in the second leg he had seven, he would have had five because of eddies in jury, lets take six points off his score to be charitable, which means the final seocnd leg score would have been a maximum of 46-44 to poole, ergo its a smoke screen poole would have lost anyway! would keep posting but must get ready to recieve the trophy from the dogheads, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazaar3 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 No excuses from me. Regardless whether Pawlicki is at No 1 or No 7, I expected our riders such as Holder, Pedersen, Ward and Watt to beat a rider who has hardly ever ridden the track, where as some of the Poole riders had known the track for years. Even if he'd been in the team we still would have lost....and fair play to Cov for using the rules as we used them because we did the same to them when we brought Lindback in the team and beat them in 02?!?, so for me let's learn from being unfortune to lead the way with a great team and make amends in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blue Bee Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Well when I went away on holiday 3 day's after our well deserved victory on a doctored track Stevie was as visible as a Chilean miner, last seen slinking away from the meeting prior to the conclusion of the home leg. How wonderful to see he has been rescued full of self -pity having been thrown a line from Matt and how his little lap-dog has picked up the bait. Following the meeting the vast majority of Poole fans have offered warm congratulations following what must have been a bitterly disappointing end to the season, but as always this has been over-shadowed now by one man and his dog's sad rantings. Fact 1 If Shamek had been spotted by Poole exactly the same scenario would have been played and Mr Shovlar would have been arguing how astute his management team have been throughout the season. It could be argued that Poole this season picked up riders on reduced averages some legally ( Ward, Watt King Arthur ) and another Madsen on a dubious average and their arrogance was their biggest hurdle they could not overcome as they thought victory was already in the bag, before self imploding on the big stage. Here's to 2011 when it will be interesting to see how both teams line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) It was all a lot easier when you got an average after 6 matches. Why did that change? I believe that it was changed when teams realised that you could afford to lower averages for six matches in order to gain for the remainder of the season. It is a lot harder to claw back those League points 'lost' over 12 matches (1/3rd of the Season)...but not impossible, as recently shown! ATB Dave Edited October 15, 2010 by Gambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maccas Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 I believe that it was changed when teams realised that you could afford to lower averages for six matches in order to gain for the remainder of the season. It is a lot harder to claw back those League points 'lost' over 12 matches (1/3rd of the Season)...but not impossible, as recently shown! ATB Dave Harder, but much easier when you can fiddle your averages enough to bring in a Number 1 in place of a 4 point reserve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 No excuses from me. Regardless whether Pawlicki is at No 1 or No 7, I expected our riders such as Holder, Pedersen, Ward and Watt to beat a rider who has hardly ever ridden the track, where as some of the Poole riders had known the track for years. Even if he'd been in the team we still would have lost....and fair play to Cov for using the rules as we used them because we did the same to them when we brought Lindback in the team and beat them in 02?!?, so for me let's learn from being unfortune to lead the way with a great team and make amends in 2011. Good post - Shovlar take note Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Harder, but much easier when you can fiddle your averages enough to bring in a Number 1 in place of a 4 point reserve! Who 'fiddled' their averages then? ATB Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) Harder, but much easier when you can fiddle your averages enough to bring in a Number 1 in place of a 4 point reserve! Or fiddle your averages so you replace a 4 point reserve {Bridger} with an established heat-leader {Schlein}. Edited October 15, 2010 by houdi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javw Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Harder, but much easier when you can fiddle your averages enough to bring in a Number 1 in place of a 4 point reserve! If you are referring to Kasprzak, he actually replaced Rory Schlien. Heat leader for heatleader. Bridger replaced Sitera, reserve for reserve. Don't fall for all the spin churned out by the Poole expert, most comments are as accurate as the Sherbourne weather station! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 No. It would be hilarious though to steal him from under Coventry's noses when they are the ones who have manipulated his average. He is not a Coventry asset and clearly prefers the Poole tack to Brandon. Matt should get on the phone to him. Cant see him going to a team that 'bottles it' when it really matters!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 i wonder what matt ford and steve shovlar doing tonight? nice take way currie followed by a movie where they both star? i would love to come around and watch but ive got other things to do tonight! lets keep all this going its just making certain people even more rediculous than we thought! i do feel sorry for the vast majority oif poole fans who just want this to stop and move on. poole the liverpool of speedway, i guess matt will be considering going to the premier league now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 As a Poole fan I am annoyed that Pawlicki was kept out of his 12th match to stay at reserve (especially as he could turn up as a guest for the Budgies in the Cup final) and yes it average manipulation of a sort. As a speedway fan I feel Rosco is to be applauded for his use and knowledge of the rules in the re building and maintenance of his team this year. If Middlo had the same option with a high scoring reserve and didn't do what Rosco did the same fans on here who are crying its not fair would be calling for his head! The question is will it be allowed next year? I think the BSPA conference will take steps to ensure it doesn't. However with a sport governed by averages there will always be an angle so to speak. IMO speedway fans will have to accept that from time to time a gem will be unearthed and just pray its your team that finds him and that your manager is clever enough to use the rules to his advantage. As for the sour grapes, I am still reeling in disbelief from the final and our performance (losing at home to effectively a 3 man team). The fact is though we lost so stop whinging and get on with winning the KO Cup (hopefully). Once again well done Coventry and their astute management, thanks to the Bees in the bar at the 1st leg for making what was looking to be a depressing night enjoyable and we'll be looking to take that trophy back next year: Absolutely, totally agree with you. If anyone is to blame for losing the title, it is the riders and the management,maybe some riders didn't have the experience to handle it and the management made some mistakes too,putting Ward as a tac in heat 8 when he hadn't beaten an opposing rider,not putting madsen in heat 14 when he had just won heat 12,not putting Bjarne as a tac in heat 14,using him in an earlier more difficult race and most of all not dropping Mrozcka when his form dipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Take care, Steve, one more year of Poole humiliation & you'll be a broken man...........or glory hunting at Blunsdon or Brandon! I really think the Duchess needs a lot more tolerance and understanding on this forum,when you consider the huge trauma he has undergone this past month.Possibly greater trauma than a Chilean miner. Firstly his dream new job as Midland meteorological expert was ended on the very 1st day after his 'Michael Fish' moment,meant he was subjected to universal derision. Next after boasting of his following the biggest club in speedway,imagine his angst to see only a handful of Poole fans had bothered to attend the 1st leg of the final.How sheepish he must have felt.Then to add salt to the wounds it transpired that half of speedway's 'greatest ever team' couldn't be bothered either.Wet shale on the track causing severe 'bottle fractures' everywhere. But still he consoled himself with the feeling that the home leg would be oh so different. Yet no,it got even worse. On turning up at the self proclaimed home of speedway,he found it had been half taken over by Bees fans.Oh the horror.Unable to get his normal seat,his frustration got worse,when he suddenly realised he was no longer the youngest person in the stand/shed. What was to follow,was the stuff of nightmares,his beloved Pirates being ripped to shreds,from a team who shouldn't even be in the play-offs. The match winning ride secured by a Poole asset,a rider not considered good enough for Poole.His number 1 destroyed,4 times on his own track by Bomber,and to cap it all,his boy wonder being summarily brushed aside by a novice Polish teenager. So as the days get shorter,colder and wetter,to think that every single day,his first waking thought will be the realisation that it wasn't just a bad dream,but a real life nightmare come true. Still he maybe able to console himself a little as he looks forward to Christmas.A few days off.mistletoe and wine,a lovely Christmas dinner,followed by the Queen's address to the Nation,followed by......................................................................................................................................................the Speedway Seasons Review on Sky Sport 4. Oh well I'm sure the Samaritans are open 365 days of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) ... At least us Poole fans can hold our heads high in the knowledge we used the same 1-7 throughout the season. We didn't have to manipulate the teams average down to fit KK into the side in place of Sitera, which made the combined average of the Coventry team nearly 5 points stronger than every other team in the league. A Championship for Coventry but one which will be viewed with utter distain by real speedway fans, and will no doubt bvring around rule changes so this mullarkey doesn't happen again. That'll be the same 1-7 that choked when it really mattered? I have said before I don't understand what the emphasis is on the same starting 1-7 - Wolves fans used it last year t5o gain some moral high ground but the rules allow you to change your team! You are really showing yourself up now with all the sour grapes. As I have said before I believe that the team that finishes top of the league should be the league champions and the play-off winners are the play-off champions but those aren't the rules that all teams signed up to. I felt the same last year when Swindon did the same but like it or not - you have to move on because you are digging yourself a very deep hole. I have also said that I think Poole were the best team this year by a country mile but they didn't do it when they needed to - same as Swindon last year and in 2007. Edited October 15, 2010 by Steve0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 That'll be the same 1-7 that choked when it really mattered? I have said before I don't understand what the emphasis is on the same starting 1-7 - Wolves fans used it last year t5o gain some moral high ground but the rules allow you to change your team! You are really showing yourself up now with all the sour grapes. As I have said before I believe that the team that finishes top of the league should be the league champions and the play-off winners are the play-off champions but those aren't the rules that all teams signed up to. I felt the same last year when Swindon did the same but like it or not - you have to move on because you are digging yourself a very deep hole. I have also said that I think Poole were the best team this year by a country mile but they didn't do it when they needed to - same as Swindon last year and in 2007. yes the same 1-7 bit a novelty for you was it? 2009 you have twenty riders 2008 you had 18 ! you couldnt change the riders because they all came on dodgy averages, as soon as they got "proper averages" there was no way on earth they could be changed, if was possible doyle and king arthur would have been ditched in seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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