colincooke Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Not sure why people are doubting that Bomber will stay in now. Look at the facts, it needs Noddy to score 5 more, Hans 16 more & Nicki 17 more, not going to happen is it so Chris will not need to be a nominee, ladyluck, even if he does have a poor Bydgoszcz. Are we totally sure that Emil will get a nomination now that another Russian has qualified by right, i'm sure he probably would but it has to be asked. I wouldn't give Darcy anything GP wise yet, for a start he needs to grow up. There will be 2 British riders in the series so Tai is a definite, whoever finishes 9th & 10th should be as well, so that's any combination of Nicki/Hans/AJ. Kolodziej should be the other, but somehow i doubt he'll get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Hackenbush Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Top eight is good enough. Hopefully Harris will manage that at his fourth attempt. Only his nationality has given him those four chances. He wouldn't have been selected initially but for his nationality. He wouldn't have been nominated for 2009 or 2010 but for his nationality. You bang on about his three finals this season, but what about no finals in 2008 and 2009? If Harris throws this away tomorrow then he will not deserve a fifth nomination. Hasnt Lindgren had a wild card pick these last two seasons ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted October 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Hasnt Lindgren had a wild card pick these last two seasons ?? If Lindgren hadn't already qualified via the Grand Final, I wouldn't be arguing for him to receive a fourth nomination. I fully expect Harris to claim a top eight place this evening, although Nicki Pedersen has a very good GP record at Bydgoszcz and Harris only managed three points last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Looking at the major riders likely to miss the cut after tonight meeting, I reckon that Jonssson and Andersen are two thatcould miss out, and I can see Nicki Pedersen get a wild card entry to next seasons GP. After Nicki you have to say Sayfutdinov, the guy has so much talent and not give the guy a spot in GP would be madness. I also reckon that Kolodziej should be the next rider to be given a pick, there might be problems with the fact that the GP already has a number of Poles, but I think that he has earnt his place and if you are going to use the wild card entries to assess riders abilities then you have to include him as he has been the best Wild Card this season by a long way. The Final pick is a difficult one, based on Bomber qualifing out right I don't think that GB should have another entry, and that means no place for Tai Woffinden, I am a Tai fan but I think that he needs to go back and re group. They could go for Darcy Ward, but I think that it would be madness for him to take it on, he only has to see what has happened to Tai this season to get an idea of what can happen. You can agrue that Darcy is at a similar level to Emil when he came into the Grand Prix, but I think that Emil is far more metally mature than Darcy, and Darcy's time will come. So my choices would be; (1) Emil Sayfutdinov (2) Nicki Pedersen (3) Janus Kolodziej (4) Chris Harris (if not an automatic qualifier), Hans Andersen or Andreas Jonsson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 I wouldn't go for:1. Davey Watt - 2011 would be one year too early for him. 2. A second Brit - there's no-one good enough. I think Woffinden will be - but not until 2012 or 2013. All the best Rob Davey Watt is in his 30's ...... When will he be ready then Cant see the top 8 changing so Emil, Nicki, AJ and Hans to get the 4 picks making it the top 12 back in plus Emil and the two qualifiers in Artem Laguta and Antonio Lindback. Riding numbers to be the way they finish with Emil #13, Artem #14 and Lindback #15. #16 the wild card ... #17 and #18 the track reserves ... #19 Janusz Kolodiej who make shake things up tonight if he reaches the final and either AJ or Hans have a nightmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Surely now in my opinion after tonight then its got to be: 1) Gollob 2) Hampel 3) Crump 4) Holta 5) Hancock 6) Harris 7) Bjerre 8) Holder --- 9) Jonsson 10) Pedersen 11) Lindgren 12) Sayfutdinov 13) Kolodziej 14) Laguta 15) Lindback End of the road for Hans Andersen having finished 12th, and Tai Woffinden surely cannot have a spot - its a wasted space in the series if he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niclas Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Surely now in my opinion after tonight then its got to be: 1) Gollob 2) Hampel 3) Crump 4) Holta 5) Hancock 6) Harris 7) Bjerre 8) Holder --- 9) Jonsson 10) Pedersen 11) Lindgren 12) Sayfutdinov 13) Kolodziej 14) Laguta 15) Lindback End of the road for Hans Andersen having finished 12th, and Tai Woffinden surely cannot have a spot - its a wasted space in the series if he is. I cant do anything else than agree. I had my doubts about AJ but it is hard to kick someone out of the GP just finished one point from top-8. Kolodziej has been absolutely terrific this season and world championship has to include the best riders. If he keeps on going like he finished this season he is one of the candidates for the medals next year. Both Emil and Nicki will get a nomination based on what they have done earlier and no question they deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted October 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 As expected, Chris Harris is no longer in the nomination equation as he finally manages to make it into the top eight. He's done well this season, but now needs to repeat the trick. Andreas Jonsson's win will surely have guaranteed him a nomination and you can't argue with the nomination of a rider who has just won a GP. Hans Andersen, on the other hand, could easily to pushed aside for the second time. Janusz Kolodziej's second final must give BSI something to think about, but it might not be enough. My guess is that Emil Sayfutdinov, Nicki Pedersen and Andreas Jonsson are certainties, while the final spot is between Andersen, Kolodziej and Woffinden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMV06 Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 As long as janusz and AJ get the nominations then I'll be well happy with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Have to agree with the above. I reckon AJ and Kolodziej should get the nod along with Nicki and Emil for next year. AJ missed out by just 1 point after 11 GP's and his win tonight should be enough. As far as I recall he has only needed a pick once before and that was after injuries had ruled him out of some of the GP's, so it's not as if he's a serial "beggar". Kolodziej has got to 2 Finals, got a WTC winners medal and was only pipped in a run-off in the GP Challenge. That's enough of a CV in my opinion to get a slot in front of a 2nd Brit. No Brit has done anything near enough at any level to be given a pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted October 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 It's not just about a "second Brit". It's also about a "third Dane" and a "fourth Pole". It could get very political between now and the announcement. The Poles obviously want Kolodziej in the series and most fair-minded people would agree that he deserves it ahead of Woffinden and Andersen. It might be just as easy to pick Kolodziej and leave the British and Danes unhappy, but I wouldn't be surprised if Woffinden gets the nod to preserve Britain's quota. I'd be astonished if Andersen gets a spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Surely has to be AJ, Emil, Nicki & Kolodziej. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Have to agree with the above. I reckon AJ and Kolodziej should get the nod along with Nicki and Emil for next year. AJ missed out by just 1 point after 11 GP's and his win tonight should be enough. As far as I recall he has only needed a pick once before and that was after injuries had ruled him out of some of the GP's, so it's not as if he's a serial "beggar". Kolodziej has got to 2 Finals, got a WTC winners medal and was only pipped in a run-off in the GP Challenge. That's enough of a CV in my opinion to get a slot in front of a 2nd Brit. No Brit has done anything near enough at any level to be given a pick. Pedersen and Emil are certain for next season,with the sport so big in Poland I think they will get another Pole in,that could well be Kolodziej,the last place is very much up for grabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niclas Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 It's not just about a "second Brit". It's also about a "third Dane" and a "fourth Pole". It could get very political between now and the announcement. The Poles obviously want Kolodziej in the series and most fair-minded people would agree that he deserves it ahead of Woffinden and Andersen. It might be just as easy to pick Kolodziej and leave the British and Danes unhappy, but I wouldn't be surprised if Woffinden gets the nod to preserve Britain's quota. I'd be astonished if Andersen gets a spot. According to the swedish commentators Tai hasnt decided if he wants to be a part of GP next year and to be honest, I understand why. It cant be so fun to end up as number 14, 25 points after number 13 (39-years old Zorro) and 47 points from top-8. I think its a waste of his talent to put him in the GP. He is a good rider but to be a part of GP has just been bad for Tai. His performance in Sweden has been more or less a disaster, he has lost around 1,5 points in his average. So let him stay out of the GP for a couple of years and then GB will have a rider who actually deserves to be a part of the World Championship and even might be a candidate for top-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full-throttle Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Kolodziej has got to 2 Finals, got a WTC winners medal and was only pipped in a run-off in the GP Challenge. That's enough of a CV in my opinion to get a slot in front of a 2nd Brit. No Brit has done anything near enough at any level to be given a pick. Fair enough, but still don't think he should get anymore than jacket 19. Didn't qualify, run-off or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted October 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 According to the swedish commentators Tai hasnt decided if he wants to be a part of GP next year and to be honest, I understand why. It cant be so fun to end up as number 14, 25 points after number 13 (39-years old Zorro) and 47 points from top-8. I think its a waste of his talent to put him in the GP. He is a good rider but to be a part of GP has just been bad for Tai. His performance in Sweden has been more or less a disaster, he has lost around 1,5 points in his average. So let him stay out of the GP for a couple of years and then GB will have a rider who actually deserves to be a part of the World Championship and even might be a candidate for top-5. He was quoted in the Speedway Star saying something similar after Terenzano. However, such quotes indicate that he feels the decision is his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 got to agree with most views top 11 finishers with laguta and lindback with emil and kolodziej.surely it doesnt matter what nationality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Well I hope Hans does get in as his form in gp's and the leagues did drop after he had the coming together with Nikki. He was in a lot of pain at Ipswich but he carried on trying to ride for his teams. I don't think his last gp's would have been so low in points if he wasn't injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 The more they try to please every nation the more of a farce the field becomes, they should all qualify during the year the world championship is, 2011 for the 2011 competition! Turn some of the GPs into qualifiers .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) While I understand there will be a lobby for Woffinden I think it would be a travesty if he were picked ahead of Janusz. Look at the Polish and Swedish league stats: (from aktuellspeedway.se) Poland: Kolodziej 3rd on 9.09 (these are aves exc bonus, add in bonus and he overtakes Pedersen to finish second behind Gollob) Woffinden 43rd on 4.41 Sweden Kolodziej 3rd on 8.68 (second including bonus points) Woffinden 66th on 4.27 (below Ricky Kling, Kauko Nieminen, Kim Nilsson, Krzysztof Jablonski, Krzysztof Buczkowski and Tomasz Jedrzejak - maybe they should be in the GP?) Edited October 9, 2010 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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