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[Wayne Chivers]

We keep hearing about all the British youngsters that are kept out of a NL place by the Aussies and older riders.

 

Surely, if these riders were serious about getting a National League team place, they would be riding in the second half at NL tracks, trying to

impress and ger a team slot. That is what riders used to do in the past.

Only a few years ago at Rye House, there were regularly 8 or more riders in the second half. This season we are lucky to see 3 riders. Newport and Buxton have also recently stated that they struggle to get riders for the second half.

 

By placing even more restricitons on who can ride at NL level ( ie only 1 rider over 25 per team, as some have suggested), will result in a much weaker product, and drive away even more fans.

Hi shippy22, we have travelled all over thee country from Basingstoke for 2nd halfs and will keep going. But one problem is some meetings run over and dont get the time on the track. u spend out alot of money to do so, when u could spend it on a training/amateur days. We wrote to every promotor asking if they had a 2nd half place to let us know. Replies 0

[Halifaxtiger]

i dont believe for a second there is not enough british youngsters to fill NL or academy teams. myself being a 19 year old hoping for a shot i rode in 2 academy league teams last year and it was not through lack of interest by riders but by clubs. also if anyone took the time to visit events by scunthorpe, str etc they would see there is a good standard of british youngsters but many frustrated not getting opportunities due to commonwealth riders filling too many places. the NL was suppose to be a development league but brithish riders are struggling to delelope and get league experience due to commonwealth riders. myself and many others i know will 100% back the british rider only league

 

 

I certainly don't want to knock your efforts but in my view its an absolute myth that Commonwealth riders prevent British youngsters getting into NL sides.

 

For a start, there are a handful - about 8 - and they are of a much higher standard than those who would be looking for a team place as first season novices, so the team positions they are taking is completely different.

 

I went to an STR meeting at Scunny last year and the best rider on view was Rob Hollingworth and, with respect to him, he is in his 50's. I am wholly unaware of a significant number of young British riders who are of the necessary standard to compete at an NL level, and that's a view shared by Jayne Moss (on here) and at least 3 other NL team managers or ex team managers that I have spoken to.

 

I try to do my bit to support the U15 championship - I sponsor Adam Kirby and saw the meetings at Northside, Buxton & Plymouth - and have absolutely no wish to have British riders excluded in favour of any foreigners.

 

I am not convinced, however, that a total ban is in the interests of the NL and that means it is not in the interests of the development of our riders of the future.

[Wayne Chivers]

Adam, none of us are slagging off British Riders here mate, its the powers-that-be that need to get behind people like you; the Promoters, the Sponsors and the Hierarchy need to do more to assist those that deserve a chance. Can't see how having less than 5% Aussies in the NL is holding Brits back: there's a darn sight more 30+ Riders doing that. As for the PL and the EL - surely the public are entitled to get what they pay for, not understrength teams or an outmoded quota system.

There is simple answer to all of this, NDL 1 rider over 25 to help the youngsters out, 1 comm, 3 under 25 English and 2 under 18's

[adamdelveracing]

Adam, none of us are slagging off British Riders here mate, its the powers-that-be that need to get behind people like you; the Promoters, the Sponsors and the Hierarchy need to do more to assist those that deserve a chance. Can't see how having less than 5% Aussies in the NL is holding Brits back: there's a darn sight more 30+ Riders doing that. As for the PL and the EL - surely the public are entitled to get what they pay for, not understrength teams or an outmoded quota system.

 

 

i agree EL and PL deserve the best quality only and foreign riders earn the right to race if they are good enough but if the NL was more a development for british riders there would be more competition from them to get in the PL and EL

[Wayne Chivers]

I certainly don't want to knock your efforts but in my view its an absolute myth that Commonwealth riders prevent British youngsters getting into NL sides.

 

For a start, there are a handful - about 8 - and they are of a much higher standard than those who would be looking for a team place as first season novices, so the team positions they are taking is completely different.

 

I went to an STR meeting at Scunny last year and the best rider on view was Rob Hollingworth and, with respect to him, he is in his 50's. I am wholly unaware of a significant number of young British riders who are of the necessary standard to compete at an NL level, and that's a view shared by Jayne Moss (on here) and at least 3 other NL team managers or ex team managers that I have spoken to.

 

I try to do my bit to support the U15 championship - I sponsor Adam Kirby and saw the meetings at Northside, Buxton & Plymouth - and have absolutely no wish to have British riders excluded in favour of any foreigners.

 

I am not convinced, however, that a total ban is in the interests of the NL and that means it is not in the interests of the development of our riders of the future.

standard of racing is NDL level in which a lot of riders in meetings like Scunny our, that is what the league was called and is called by alot of the BSPA.

[Deano]

Hi shippy22, we have travelled all over thee country from Basingstoke for 2nd halfs and will keep going. But one problem is some meetings run over and dont get the time on the track. u spend out alot of money to do so, when u could spend it on a training/amateur days. We wrote to every promotor asking if they had a 2nd half place to let us know. Replies 0

 

I applaud the effort you are putting in... There was a disagreement on here recently when a youngster complained against his second half ride being canned. The response "It was canned because a genuine replacement for XXXX was given the track time, why would we allow this slot for just a wobbler anyway" sadly, I think the response pretty much sums up what you are up against before you turn a wheel. I personally think every track should pay into a pool and support free track time and bikes for any under 18's interested in Speedway.

[June]

Speaking as someone who watches these youngsters at Scunny I see where they are coming from.......Unfortunately their cries for help will go by un-noticed by the majority of people. There has certainly been no shortage of kids to my reckoning. its just a question of how long they persevere befor giving in.......I hope with all my heart for these kids that the NL is made into a proper developement league, so that our own british kids can progress to the standard of the commomwealth younsters when they come over and can compare with them in competing for league places. We need this league to be for first timers as they have to start somewhere.

[Nikko]

Just to give an alternative viewpoint, and I am all for giving the youngesters a chance, thats what I spend my time working on.

 

BUT

 

If you make it a proper development league you need to think about the following:

 

1) Will the BSPA reduce their costs to the promoters of the clubs running at this level. The standalone clubs need to run a business and BSPA fees, referee fees etc would need to be looked at. Also points money would need to be standadised/controlled.

2) Will stadium owners reduce their fees for a development league.

3) Will engine tuners and other manufacturors reduce their fees for development riders, as points money will need to drop and therefore the riders income as well.

 

In the current economic climate clubs need to be run as business' and you need to know that you would have a solid fanbase who would come and watch your product every week.

 

I to follow the Under 15s as well as amatuer meetings at Scunthorpe and Iwade and they do not get decent enough crowds to run at this level when the entrance is free so you have to have a mix and have a product that people will pay their hard earned cash to watch.

 

Im not being negative just giving out some facts that would need to be taken into account before any major decisions were made.

 

This is the age old "third tier" problem that we have faced for 10 years or so. Clubs running second/junior teams in the NDL cannot be run the same way as standalone clubs. There has always been a fundamental issue between both, one runs for development the other as a business.

 

The issue with young british riders is just the latest in a long line of issues that need to be addressed by the BSPA at this level.

 

Finally I hope someone takes a chance on Adam Kirby (and Brendan Freemantle) next year in the NDL as the top 2 Under 15s this season.

 

There's no simple answer, but something needs to be done.

 

Nikko

[June]

Nikko, We've been here befor on other threads......I know from those that you do a lot for youngsters, I do nothing but cheer them on as a fan, but I do feel sorry for our kids and It must be heart breaking for them when they keep banging their heads against a brick wall. As for all the promoting business and the BSPA.....well what can you say? They tend to be a breed that will only do their own thing!.....We just have to hope that between them they will come up with answers soon.

Edited October 4, 2010 by June

[Wayne Chivers]

Just to give an alternative viewpoint, and I am all for giving the youngesters a chance, thats what I spend my time working on.

 

BUT

 

If you make it a proper development league you need to think about the following:

 

1) Will the BSPA reduce their costs to the promoters of the clubs running at this level. The standalone clubs need to run a business and BSPA fees, referee fees etc would need to be looked at. Also points money would need to be standadised/controlled.

2) Will stadium owners reduce their fees for a development league.

3) Will engine tuners and other manufacturors reduce their fees for development riders, as points money will need to drop and therefore the riders income as well.

 

In the current economic climate clubs need to be run as business' and you need to know that you would have a solid fanbase who would come and watch your product every week.

 

I to follow the Under 15s as well as amatuer meetings at Scunthorpe and Iwade and they do not get decent enough crowds to run at this level when the entrance is free so you have to have a mix and have a product that people will pay their hard earned cash to watch.

 

Im not being negative just giving out some facts that would need to be taken into account before any major decisions were made.

 

This is the age old "third tier" problem that we have faced for 10 years or so. Clubs running second/junior teams in the NDL cannot be run the same way as standalone clubs. There has always been a fundamental issue between both, one runs for development the other as a business.

 

The issue with young british riders is just the latest in a long line of issues that need to be addressed by the BSPA at this level.

 

Finally I hope someone takes a chance on Adam Kirby (and Brendan Freemantle) next year in the NDL as the top 2 Under 15s this season.

 

There's no simple answer, but something needs to be done.

 

Nikko

Nikko

 

I am not having ago because I do understand about the costs for the club. On your 3rd point the engine costs is the same for all, so we still pay for engine tunning and service out of r own pockets, so it is no expenes to the club. So if we did sign for a club and got paid it would help us. Plus as I said early there is alot of youngster that would only want travelling money.

[Nikko]

Nikko

 

I am not having ago because I do understand about the costs for the club. On your 3rd point the engine costs is the same for all, so we still pay for engine tunning and service out of r own pockets, so it is no expenes to the club. So if we did sign for a club and got paid it would help us. Plus as I said early there is alot of youngster that would only want travelling money.

 

Appreciate your not having a go, and that engine costs etc are the same.

 

What I was trying to say was that to help young British talent is it going to take alot of effort from a number of people including the BSPA and wouldnt it be good if young NL riders were given help with costs such as tuning etc.

 

I wish you all the success as you pursue your dreams, and hope you get as many rides as possible in the future.

 

Regards

 

Nikko

[Wayne Chivers]

Appreciate your not having a go, and that engine costs etc are the same.

 

What I was trying to say was that to help young British talent is it going to take alot of effort from a number of people including the BSPA and wouldnt it be good if young NL riders were given help with costs such as tuning etc.

 

I wish you all the success as you pursue your dreams, and hope you get as many rides as possible in the future.

 

Regards

 

Nikko

The problem is the BSPA dont give a s**t about the young riders, as long as they are making money. If more people did put in the effort they would get the rewards and help from the youngsters.

[MART]

Can`t say how appalled i was when i read about this dumb proposed rule.At the risk of sounding self righteous,i think its imoral.The Aussies and Kiwis have been a vital and integral part of this sport ever since it began in this country and have helped to make it what it is today.Having a couple of "Commonwealth" riders in a team is`nt going to hamper young Brits chances of getting a start.What does hamper them is a total lack of interest from the powers that be that run the sport in this country.Racing a speedway bike is cripplingly expensive,even for established pro riders.If some money were put back into the sport,helping young riders,with proper training schools,finding sponsors,that would be infinitly more sucessful than some stupid,knee jerk rule that really is going to make the sport worse off.

[speedyguy]

.If some money were put back into the sport,helping young riders,with proper training schools,finding sponsors,that would be infinitly more sucessful than some stupid,knee jerk rule that really is going to make the sport worse off.

 

 

And where is this 'crock of gold'?

[gazzatopfuel]

And where is this 'crock of gold'?

dont think anyones looking for "crock of gold" just a fair crack of the whip would suffice in most cases, maybe a little more respect for the improvers, instead of trying to sign next weeks world champion

[tyler42]

If you go back to the 80's. There were two leagues British and New national league with regional juinor leagues. they were mainly I think three man teams. the main differnce, was back then you did not have riders who did not make the grade in the national league drop back down to the junior leagues. Theres to many riders who have been in the premier league and who have been around for years dropping down and riding in the national league.

 

Fair enough if this is what the national league promoters want. It use to be, second half onto juinor league and then 1st team if you made the grade. I don't think there were many riders who once making there league debut would drop back down to being a junior. As for Aussies there were plenty back then and they had to go through the same system. As the saying goes if your good enough, you will make it. Regarding the premier its a different kettle of fish, Yes there are to many foreign riders who are not good enough, but the promoters are the only ones to blame, as it is them that offer them the contracts.