Team Building For 2011

[greyhoundp]

Heres my attempt;

 

League Championship < no play off>

Champions Shield < Top Four>

National Trophy < remaining Teams Home & Away KO>

KO Cup, same as currently.

NLRC, Pairs & 4TT same as now.

NL Reserves Trophy.

 

Now the nitty Gritty;

 

40 points limit, 7 man Teams or

42 points limit, 8 man Teams

All Commonwealth riders come in on 5 point assesed, no three pointers for whatever reason.

2 Reserve only races, no tacticals allowed, Ht 2 and around Ht 11 to 13.

Only 1 rider over 25 per team.

1 Commonwealth rider per team.

2 Riders in each team to be 3 point average or under.

The lowest official average to be 2.00 points.

 

Costs need to be kept down, or brought down, how that is achieved is debatable, for promotions, riders and spectators we are all going through tough times.

 

Maybe one thing that could be looked at is the possibility of using 250 cc bikes in the NL, is it feasable or indeed practical..?? That could help riders costs, and therefore promoters costs. For the spectators some incentives like kids for a quid, and if you attend ex amount of meetings you get another at half price, these sort of incentives need to be looked at and utilised.

 

I went to Buxton yesterday a round trip of 150 miles,RAINED OFF, will i go again on a dodgy day, i will certainly think twice about it, but if there was some incentive that would encourage me, instead of closed gates to look at.

[Halifaxtiger]

Heres my attempt;

 

League Championship < no play off>

Champions Shield < Top Four>

National Trophy < remaining Teams Home & Away KO>

KO Cup, same as currently.

NLRC, Pairs & 4TT same as now.

NL Reserves Trophy.

 

Now the nitty Gritty;

 

40 points limit, 7 man Teams or

42 points limit, 8 man Teams

All Commonwealth riders come in on 5 point assesed, no three pointers for whatever reason.

2 Reserve only races, no tacticals allowed, Ht 2 and around Ht 11 to 13.

Only 1 rider over 25 per team.

1 Commonwealth rider per team.

2 Riders in each team to be 3 point average or under.

The lowest official average to be 2.00 points.

 

Costs need to be kept down, or brought down, how that is achieved is debatable, for promotions, riders and spectators we are all going through tough times.

 

Maybe one thing that could be looked at is the possibility of using 250 cc bikes in the NL, is it feasable or indeed practical..?? That could help riders costs, and therefore promoters costs. For the spectators some incentives like kids for a quid, and if you attend ex amount of meetings you get another at half price, these sort of incentives need to be looked at and utilised.

 

I went to Buxton yesterday a round trip of 150 miles,RAINED OFF, will i go again on a dodgy day, i will certainly think twice about it, but if there was some incentive that would encourage me, instead of closed gates to look at.

 

 

Not a bad stab at all

 

I'd keep the play off for the attendances it brings in, otherwise fine.

 

Not sure about 8 rider teams but 40 points is Ok; maybe a little lower say 38.5.

 

Short term exceptions for riders over 25 who are new to the sport, have been out for a while or have been seriously injured.

 

Aussies/NZ on 7.00.

 

Lowest average 2.00 for 15 or 16 year olds; One 2 or 3pt man per team (don't think we could find 20 odd new riders).

 

I am not sure how to get costs down but recent experience has shown me that they are high. Barrie Evans told me two new carburettors would cost him in the region of £1,000 - I am sure that is more than a car - while I bought a gallon of methanol for Ollie Rayson yesterday - £7. Could petrol engines be an alternative ?

[gsmills]

if you think 500 are expensive to maintain then youd cry at 250s, i take the point about more training tracks operating, i was just going on the localish tracks,i think what im saying, is when youve got kids that are riding, even at a training session where adults are about, they seem not to want to be there .talking to other dads the kids seem to be so intimidated.What i would like to see is probaly a 3 hour session before the main practice, just for learners and younger novices,with instuctors for them ,youve got to remember some of these lads are stiil at primary school,there still very young we really do need to remember that,i do know there are exceptions and you will always get that, but if we dont train them as kids we lose them and we will never have home grown talent,im proud of what my lad has acheived but with the right help, what may he acheive

[TMW]

As the parent of a NL, standard rider, who has experienced mixed fortunes in the NL. I believe you should not stifle talent and to ban riders from other countries would artificially enhance the standard of the British riders, they need this competition, as part of their development. If this was removed from the league they would only come up against it when hitting the premier league therefore delaying the inevitable. They need the flamboyance of the foreigners together with the experience of the more mature riders. I think where the problem stands is the fact that not all riders develop at the same rate this may be for many reasons. A bad accident which has hampered their development. Financial constraints some riders are more financially viable to bring in mechanical expertise, equipment for whatever reason. If they have not hit the bigtime by 16 they will get jobs and have to hold down fulltime jobs, therefore reducing track time I supose a supporter on that basis or even a club would question a riders commitment but it happens or even just plain old different styles of riding and I would urge NL Clubs to consider that aswell. Of course it goes with out saying that Dale Allitt and KL are doing what they can for Chris and my thanks goes out to them(I have no experience of other clubs)but clubs are under so much pressure to role out the next overnight sensation. Darcy Ward has set the bar a little high. Another reason for development inbalances. Darcy Wards Dad and Tai Woffendens, for that matter, were excellent riders themselves therefore these lads have hit the ground running. Anyway to sumise. Points limits fine, foriegn riders fine, mature riders fine but please don't pidgeon hole the lads and just bare in mind that there are other factors that contribute to a riders development. Just because they are not hitting the double figs at 16 is not necessarily because they just can't cut it.

 

And to Miles I am suprised at the welcome you have recieved at practice sessions and amateur meetings as it has not been our experience. From the day Chris walked into Sheffield speedway track and Ben Wilson took him for his first spin they have been very welcoming. If you ever bump into Team Widman at any of the practices or Amatuer meetings I'm sure they will do what they can to help.

 

Tina Widman

[Halifaxtiger]

As the parent of a NL, standard rider, who has experienced mixed fortunes in the NL. I believe you should not stifle talent and to ban riders from other countries would artificially enhance the standard of the British riders, they need this competition, as part of their development. If this was removed from the league they would only come up against it when hitting the premier league therefore delaying the inevitable. They need the flamboyance of the foreigners together with the experience of the more mature riders. I think where the problem stands is the fact that not all riders develop at the same rate this may be for many reasons. A bad accident which has hampered their development. Financial constraints some riders are more financially viable to bring in mechanical expertise, equipment for whatever reason. If they have not hit the bigtime by 16 they will get jobs and have to hold down fulltime jobs, therefore reducing track time I supose a supporter on that basis or even a club would question a riders commitment but it happens or even just plain old different styles of riding and I would urge NL Clubs to consider that aswell. Of course it goes with out saying that Dale Allitt and KL are doing what they can for Chris and my thanks goes out to them(I have no experience of other clubs)but clubs are under so much pressure to role out the next overnight sensation. Darcy Ward has set the bar a little high. Another reason for development inbalances. Darcy Wards Dad and Tai Woffendens, for that matter, were excellent riders themselves therefore these lads have hit the ground running. Anyway to sumise. Points limits fine, foriegn riders fine, mature riders fine but please don't pidgeon hole the lads and just bare in mind that there are other factors that contribute to a riders development. Just because they are not hitting the double figs at 16 is not necessarily because they just can't cut it.

 

And to Miles I am suprised at the welcome you have recieved at practice sessions and amateur meetings as it has not been our experience. From the day Chris walked into Sheffield speedway track and Ben Wilson took him for his first spin they have been very welcoming. If you ever bump into Team Widman at any of the practices or Amatuer meetings I'm sure they will do what they can to help.

 

Tina Widman

 

 

Very fine post, Tina

[rhyshooper]

Here is my attempt,

 

League,

 

No play-offs

National Shield (Top 4)

National trophy for the rest + teams like sittingbourne

(these two obviously after the season has finished)

KOC as it is (before league season)

NLRC, Pairs, 4TT all at neutral venue

NLRC (Top 2 riders in team)

NL Pairs (3rd and 4th riders in team)

NL 4TT (remaining 4 riders in squad, inc number 8)

 

Team set up,

 

1 rider only over 30

points limit reduced slightly but not to 36 that is too low

2 commonwealth, but none are allowed to ride at number 6 or 7 at any point in the season

Every team MUST have an 8 man team

 

Brand new riders to the NL,

 

Commonwealth riders,

if riding PL aswell, 8.00

otherwise, 5.00

 

British riders,

16-18 years, 2.00

19-23 years, 3.00

24+ years, 4.00

Edited September 21, 2010 by RhysHooper

[greyhoundp]

Some interesting ideas there Rhys, i dont pretend to have any mechanical knowledge whatsoever miles, so i take your point that 250,s are more expensive to maintain... I purely and simply put forward an idea to possibly cut costs, as everyone seems to believe this needs to be done, what is the sticking point is HOW it is done.

[771neil]

if you think 500 are expensive to maintain then youd cry at 250s, i take the point about more training tracks operating, i was just going on the localish tracks,i think what im saying, is when youve got kids that are riding, even at a training session where adults are about, they seem not to want to be there .talking to other dads the kids seem to be so intimidated.What i would like to see is probaly a 3 hour session before the main practice, just for learners and younger novices,with instuctors for them ,youve got to remember some of these lads are stiil at primary school,there still very young we really do need to remember that,i do know there are exceptions and you will always get that, but if we dont train them as kids we lose them and we will never have home grown talent,im proud of what my lad has acheived but with the right help, what may he acheive

 

Having had a 250cc and a lad that rode it to its max i can t agree with you they are more expensive to maintain, parts are cheaper and only need and engine builder not tuner. I agree they cost the same to buy brand new as a 500 but believe me as someone who is now paying for 500 they are alot more expensive to run. As for your point about practise if you have your own bit first doesn t that put a bigger gap between you and adult riders and having been round with my boy i can say we have never had problem with advice etc. But I do agree more needs to be done for young lads.

[gsmills]

please dont get me wrong we have had very helpful advice and some very unhelpful advice ,the people have always been more than welcoming,but what im saying is the lads need consistincy, i know a very good young lad who had to be forced to a track by his dad because he would just fall apart when older riders were there ,the same with my lad, surely we could ease them in some better way,. Also i take the point of some lads getting better quicker than others its always going to happen.As just a bit of parent frustration can we not look how other countries are doing it,there producing broods of good youngsters and sadly it doesnt bode well for the future