rossi27 Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 With 15 out of the 26 riders in the current Grand Prix competition not reguarly riding in the UK Elite League and the likely winner with only 2 rounds left being one of them can they be truly crowned World Champion assuming that the Elite League is within the top 3 in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy swindon pete Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 yes....the world championship is an individual event...what that has to do with a team national competition, i have no idea. next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 With 15 out of the 26 riders in the current Grand Prix competition not reguarly riding in the UK Elite League and the likely winner with only 2 rounds left being one of them can they be truly crowned World Champion assuming that the Elite League is within the top 3 in the world. Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 With 15 out of the 26 riders in the current Grand Prix competition not reguarly riding in the UK Elite League and the likely winner with only 2 rounds left being one of them can they be truly crowned World Champion assuming that the Elite League is within the top 3 in the world. Yes of course , i think ur missing the point that the elite league , or any league for that matter is a team compo , whereas the GP is purely an individual event . A rider , theoretically , if he so wished , could ride in only the GP's , and if he was the winner at the end of the series , he would be World Champion . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Certainly looks like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essaitch Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 With 15 out of the 26 riders in the current Grand Prix competition not reguarly riding in the UK Elite League and the likely winner with only 2 rounds left being one of them can they be truly crowned World Champion assuming that the Elite League is within the top 3 in the world. Thats where your going wrong!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Shouldn`t this post be in the speedway gp section or at least individual part , and what a complete waste of a post totally irrelavant !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thischarmingman Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 This is a very strange thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 I think it must be pre-play-offs boredom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi27 Posted September 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 (edited) Thats where your going wrong!! Thats the point,is the Elite League important enough anymore to the bigger picture of speedway if that many of the worlds top riders don't participate.Before anyone jumps down my throat this not my opinion just an observation and worth debating surely. Edited September 12, 2010 by rossi27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Everyone knows the EL ranks lower than whale dung to most GP riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovey Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Thats the point,is the Elite League important enough anymore to the bigger picture of speedway if that many of the worlds top riders don't participate.Before anyone jumps down my throat this not my opinion just an observation and worth debating surely. As pointed out by others, not really worth debating, because you are comparing team with individual. What the BSPA has singularly failed to do is make speedway in Britain attractive enough for the best riders in the world to want to ride in the EL. Poorly organised - inconsistent fixture list - inability to complete fixtures before the race-offs - how can a serious professional rider maintain a schedule? Even the Super7even (sic) suffered because the Polish League was more important than the Pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Even the Super7even (sic) suffered because the Polish League was more important than the Pairs. It is more important (for the riders)... because it pays more :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 As pointed out by others, not really worth debating, because you are comparing team with individual. What the BSPA has singularly failed to do is make speedway in Britain attractive enough for the best riders in the world to want to ride in the EL. What the BSPA has failed to do is ensure a fair number of the best riders in the world are British. When was the last time Great Britain won the SWC? I'm guessing 1989 and only then because of the dreadful injuries suffered by Erik Gundersen. When was the last time a British rider was on the world championship rostrum? I'm guessing it was Mark Loram during his world championship year of 2000. When was the last time a British rider won the World Under-21s? I'm guessing we go back to Lee Richardson, whenever that was. He's in his thirties, so it wasn't exactly recent. When was the last time a British rider claimed a place in the top eight of the GPs? Way back in 2007, that's when. Until Britain gets a cadre of decent riders and the ACU and BSPA exert control over said riders, in the manner the PZM and GKSZ do in Poland, the Elite League will continue its descent into irrelevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B52 Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 With 15 out of the 26 riders in the current Grand Prix competition not reguarly riding in the UK Elite League and the likely winner with only 2 rounds left being one of them can they be truly crowned World Champion assuming that the Elite League is within the top 3 in the world. Spot on chief. There is no way guys like Tomek, Crumpie & Hampel could live with talents such as Mathieu Tresarrieu, Chris Schramm, Ludvig Lindgren, Willie Lawson, Filip Sitera etc etc, the teams they race against in Poland & Sweden need beefed up with some of these talents to ensure that they become true world champions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thischarmingman Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Spot on chief. There is no way guys like Tomek, Crumpie & Hampel could live with talents such as Mathieu Tresarrieu, Chris Schramm, Ludvig Lindgren, Willie Lawson, Filip Sitera etc etc, the teams they race against in Poland & Sweden need beefed up with some of these talents to ensure that they become true world champions These so called best riders in the world also don't have to put up with the pressure cooker situation of racing in front of 600 fans at Peterborough in front of the Sky cameras and perhaps 750 at Belle Vue the week after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool chad Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 These so called best riders in the world also don't have to put up with the pressure cooker situation of racing in front of 600 fans at Peterborough in front of the Sky cameras and perhaps 750 at Belle Vue the week after. 750 Fans at Belle Vue! Was it free to get in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 A strange topic indeed. Should one ride in the UK, Sweden, Denmark and Poland to deserve to ride in the World Championship? Of course not. Is one crowned world champion being the overall best rider in 11 GP rounds, regardless of nationality and clubs? Of course. Captain Obvious thank you for your attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) The last rider to win the World Championship without any prior regular British experience was Egon Muller in 1983, who only had a very brief spell riding for Hull around a decade earlier. Jerzy Szczakiel (1973 World Champion) is the only World Champion never to ride for a single British club. Gollob hasn't rode over here since 2000, but arguably the three years he spent over here helped him as a rider. The British tracks are all sorts of weird and wonderful sizes, and it tends to help riders to come over here at some point in their career, to hone their skills. All the best Rob Edited September 15, 2010 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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