deadmau5 Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) Apologies if this has already been detailed elsewhere on here, but I discovered the following article earlier and wondered what you thought of it? http://www.methanolpress.com/2010/07/catastrophic-further-collapse-in-cardiff-speedway-grand-prix-viewing-figures-contributes-to-dramatic-further-decline-in-overall-british-audience/ Thanks, deadmau5 Edited September 1, 2010 by deadmau5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) Apologies if this has already been detailed elsewhere on here, but I discovered the following article earlier and wondered what you thought of it? It seems to be a reasonable analysis of the situation, and adds some weight to the supposition that everything is not rosy in the SGP garden. The irony of course is that this year's SGP has been the best for a while, but I suspect the goose has been cooked. Edited September 1, 2010 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Would hold more water if the author was less blatantly anti-SGP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 A lot of it is because the change of time to 5pm ,just like any tv show that was took off peak time to tea time the figures are bound to drop . Odd that he forgot to say anythink about that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 I think this is a fair explanation of the difference in figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) Would hold more water if the author was less blatantly anti-SGP. What's wrong with being anti-SGP, especially if you can make a reasonable argument that it's not all it's been cracked up to be? And whether or not the start time has changed, a drop in viewers is a drop in viewers. Edited September 1, 2010 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 What's wrong with being anti-SGP, especially if you can make a reasonable argument that it's not all it's been cracked up to be? And whether or not the start time has changed, a drop in viewers is a drop in viewers. When if you put Eastenders on at 5pm instead of 7.30pm there would be a drop in viewers so not sure what your point is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 What's wrong with being anti-SGP, especially if you can make a reasonable argument that it's not all it's been cracked up to be? Nothing in itself, but the language used just makes him seem like a loser who is stuck in the one off world final era. Clearly wants speedway to stay in a world of Wulfsport wearing, badge donning gimps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) Not entirely sure that I'd conclude that the author is anti-GP per se from that article. It sounds more anti-BSI and their hype than anything. Not that there is anything wrong with that either. Given orion's more than reasonable point pertaining to the time change, perhaps a comparison of viewing figures for other GPs should be made. No other GP has a different start time and there is only a hour difference between the usual starting time and the British GP (traditionally a hour later and now a hour earlier) except for the occasional GP in Italy and maybe Latvia. Edited September 1, 2010 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 An article based on flimsy evidence.Just the case that viewing figures have dropped.But then that might be accounted for with the time change as has been stated and the author seems to think the fact that is was up against a big World Cup match.Not sure if i have read that right.But if so that would account for a drop as well.Nothing can challenge Football.He does bring up important issues like the worldwide penetration.But this has no fact behind it either from BSI or from the author.I would also think there is a little bit of bull behind some of BSI/IMG's statements.But unless you can prove otherwise we just have to remain sceptical..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Scott Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 A lot of it is because the change of time to 5pm ,just like any tv show that was took off peak time to tea time the figures are bound to drop . Odd that he forgot to say anythink about that . According to BARB (the way viewing figures are officially measured in Britain), numbers were down 104,000 in 2009 and fell a further 79,000 in 2010 Odd to see this as a success or as solely explained by the earlier start time - but your prerogative, of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Scott Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 I think this is a fair explanation of the difference in figures. The explanation here is different albeit hard to understand. It also appears to suggest that almost all viewing figures for every speedway meeting ever televised by Sky isn't statistically significant. Plus the post isn't info that appears on the BARB website The published BARB figures are the only widely available viewing statistics (in the absence of more detailed info from the organisers) Looking at the FAQs section of the BARB website (www.barb.co.uk) answers most methodology questions. Refreshing the audience panel is a regular but standard occurence - if it invaildated statistical comparisons surely telvision companies would soon let BARB know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 "jump the shark"...!! Blimey, am grateful to prolific author Mr. Scott for introducing this expression to me!! It means: "a term to describe a moment when something that was once great has reached a point where it will now decline in quality and popularity. Origin of this phrase comes from a Happy Days episode where the Fonz jumped a shark on waterskis. Thus was labeled the lowest point of the show" Coincidentally a shark-related incident was the lowest point of my all-time favourite US TV show, the 1960s Batman when in an absurd surfing cometition between Batman (in baggies over his famous underpants!) and the Joker - they ,er, encounter a shark!! Luckily all is well, as Batman has his supply of Shark Repellant Bat-spray! Holy Cowabunga as Robin (of course) declares! As for the SGP... Well I look forward to its replacement with a proper World Championship! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 According to BARB (the way viewing figures are officially measured in Britain), numbers were down 104,000 in 2009 and fell a further 79,000 in 2010 Odd to see this as a success or as solely explained by the earlier start time - but your prerogative, of course Never said it was solely responsible but it is a major factor on viewing figures ...the main thing is that the piece written fails to point out this very important point and for that reason makes it almost pointless . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Scott Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Never said it was solely responsible but it is a major factor on viewing figures ...the main thing is that the piece written fails to point out this very important point and for that reason makes it almost pointless . If you say so Surely the "very important point" of earlier start time can't be the key factor for the significant decline in viewing figures decline in both 2009 & 2010? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 As for the SGP... Well I look forward to its replacement with a proper World Championship! Deluded. Yes, roll on Pocking 2015, where it is compulsory for all riders to wear monkey masks and ride Japs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) If you say so Surely the "very important point" of earlier start time can't be the key factor for the significant decline in viewing figures decline in both 2009 & 2010? Of course it is ..remember it's just a tv show ...change any program from peak time to non peak time and the % loss in viewers will be about the same . If Eastenders changes to 5pm start next week it would lose millions of viewers, i doubt there be many who would say it was not because the change of time it would be a given . Edited September 2, 2010 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Scott Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Of course it is ..remember it's just a tv show ...change any program from peak time to non peak time and the % loss in viewers will be about the same . The Cardiff SGP is a sports programme (not, as in your example, a soap like Eastenders) - when Manchester play live on the telly whether it's 1.30, 4 or 8 they get big audiences Either way, the SGP lost 79,000 viewers from 2009 to 2010 when both were staged at 5pm. So this "very important point" you claim undermines the various points of my article isn't a new (key) factor worth including or, more importantly, the explanation for the decline you seem to think it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayls1973 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Just negativity all the time, this year was my first time at Cardiff and i thought it was the dogs testicles. A big fat well done to all involved !! I will be back next year, absolutely love the G.P series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) The Cardiff SGP is a sports programme (not, as in your example, a soap like Eastenders) - when Manchester play live on the telly whether it's 1.30, 4 or 8 they get big audiences Either way, the SGP lost 79,000 viewers from 2009 to 2010 when both were staged at 5pm. So this "very important point" you claim undermines the various points of my article isn't a new (key) factor worth including or, more importantly, the explanation for the decline you seem to think it is And the second one there was world cup match on you forgot say about that as well amazeing If Manchester ute play at 7.30 then the figures will always be bigger than they were playing at 5pm . Edited September 2, 2010 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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