21st century heathen Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 If you beat Plymouth by more than 7 on Wednesday you will be top of the league as far as the play offs are concerned as Buxton arent riding their match at Kings Lynn till after the 12th It says TBA on the website, so I was assuming they would be pushing to get it on this week if at all possible. But as Will has said it's Newport that could yet be the threat. They have two away meetings this week scheduled before the cut-off date. Top spot is in their hands. I would be VERY shocked indeed if Plymouth turned Dudley over given the awesome form the Heathens are on. Smarty knows the track, as does Jake and when they have raced at Perry Barr they have all looked decent. Especially that Micky Dyer, obviously practicing for when hes in the 2011 Brummies side. I would be surprised, and disappointed, too. But then I was surprised, and disappointed, when Mildenhall turned us over at Monmore. Just look at recent results around the country. Nothing is a given. You're got to get out there and earn it. --------------------------------------------------------- What is most disappointing about the whole situation is that the hateful play-offs are going to ruin the most exciting end to a season I can recall. Buxton, the Heathens and Newport can all finish on 45 if they take maximum points from their remaining fixtures. How intense would the end to the season be if all three knew they needed every single race point available to take the title on points difference?! Instead I find myself hoping others have postponed meetings, a wish that doesn't sit well with me, because I think from our point of view finishing top of the table could be an important tool is sticking it to Dudley Council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 ive absolutely loved this season with the heathens back but must admit feel very disappointed with the way the nl and el have finished.which ever way you look at it its a joke.no wonder people outside the sport dont take it serious.im off for a pint with a non fan on thursday who carnt believe some of the things i tell him.wait till he hears about the cut off for the play offs.he will choke on his nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHayes Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 At the moment if all 3 teams finished on 45 points, buxton would finish head of newport, becasue they beat them home and away , newport and dudley both beat each other by the same score (59-34 at QM, 58 -33 at MG), but dudley would finish about newport on points scored and currently have a better points difference. Buxton beat dudley at home 47-45 but dudley beat buxton 49 -41 at monmore. Buxton have the better points difference and have scored more points than dudley but dudley at the moment have a match in hand over buxton against plymouth on weds @ PB. So by my reckoning it could finish like this 1. Dudley 2. Buxton 3. Newport I'm not going to the permitations for 4th because it's complicated enough for 1st, 2nd and 3rd ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 My understanding is that it would be based purely on points difference regardless of the results against each other. If it were allowed to go down to the wire in a good old fashioned scrap for the title and all three finished on 45 then the current situation before the final few meetings would be as follows. Team For Against Difference Buxton 860 690 +170 Dudley 819 656 +163 Newport 782 664 +118 On paper it would be a tough job for Newport to bridge the gap as they would need two very big away wins or for both Buxton and Dudley to slip up badly. Again on paper it would be advantage Dudley with two home meetings to come and only a 7 point points advantage to bridge. But it would still require us to actually go out and do the business on track and who knows how many of the young and inexperienced riders involved for all teams would handle the pressure of it being so very close. But as I said none of this is relevant thanks to the play offs meaning whoever ends up fourth could steal it away. Buxton Newport Dudley at the deadline is my guess. And with apologies to the teams involved I haven't looked to see who can fit in meetings before the deadline for the fourth place battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHayes Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 (edited) How many fixtures do dudley have before the cut off? Is it just the match against Plymouth? Personally i think the BSPA is a complete joke, this seriously damages the final league positions of the top 6 the cut off should be end of september with the PO's run within the first 2 weeks of october. Edited September 7, 2010 by LFC1892 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willp Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 How many fixtures do dudley have before the cut off? Is it just the match against Plymouth? That's correct. We have one league fixture remaining after the cut off date against Weymouth on Wednesday 22nd September at Perry Barr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 I should just add that I don't agree with any suggestion that the deadline should be extended. That's just moving the goal posts on a system I already don't like. I said the same of the EL deadline and I'm not going to change my mind just because my team is affected in the NL. I don't like it but the POs are the way the league title is decided and a deadline date is set at the start of the season...end of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 What is most disappointing about the whole situation is that the hateful play-offs are going to ruin the most exciting end to a season I can recall. Buxton, the Heathens and Newport can all finish on 45 if they take maximum points from their remaining fixtures. How intense would the end to the season be if all three knew they needed every single race point available to take the title on points difference?! I ----------------- My understanding is that it would be based purely on points difference regardless of the results against each other. If it were allowed to go down to the wire in a good old fashioned scrap for the title and all three finished on 45 then the current situation before the final few meetings would be as follows. Team For Against Difference Buxton 860 690 +170 Dudley 819 656 +163 Newport 782 664 +118 Thank you for this. This is EXACTLY what I've been arguing since the play-off were brought in.. The likes of Malcolm (who has been viciously rude every time I suggest the p/os are a flawed concept!! ) may well argue that the play-offs lead to an exciting finish to the season but the truth is that nothing would be more exciting than the sort of three way battle going on now. History shows us in all sports where they have a league, that exciting finishes develop organically: an example in the third tier of Speedway was ironically in the last season pre-introduction of the P/Os when it went down to the wire between Oxford and Wimbledon. The truth is that by having play-offs to get some excitement out of a handful of end of season matches you risk making many main season meetings less significant and less competed-for than you would do if every point counted towards the championship. One sees this vividly in Rugby League whose flawed system we appear to have copied: with the likes of certain play-off finishers St. Helen's losing massively to Bradford in mid-season coz actually it doesn't matter, what does matter is the play-offs themselves. What we have done is an absolutely classic case of 'baby and bath-water'...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Rye House are probably now in pole position for 4th place as they do have 2 meetings this week and out of the play off contenders they are the only team with a home meeting Less pole now after a massive hammering tonite on the Island!! Would be astonished if Newport Hornets don't come away from Hoddesdon on Saturday with a win too... As I understand it current positions are: 4th. Plymouth 27 pts (pts diff: 55) 5th. Buccs 27 pts (pts diff: 33) 6th. RH 25 pts (pts diff: -32 AMENDED AFTER DEFEAT AT IOW Noew it's over to Plymouth at Perry Barr tomorrow...: a first ever visit there... As said before that seems an unlikely place for the Devils to get the win which would all but clinch it for them. And if they come away pointless that opens it up for the Buccs to grab at least a point at KL.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 still think its a joke that all teams will not have ridden the same amount of matchess at the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 how can you decide a league when all teams will not have raced the same number of meetings it is stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 The cut-off for the play-offs in the NL does seem a tad too early. Surely given the recent weather, it would be make sense to extend it by a couple of weeks to allow the league table to be properly sorted out. After all, the play-off semis are not normally held until the first half of October in any case. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 The cut-off for the play-offs in the NL does seem a tad too early. Surely given the recent weather, it would be make sense to extend it by a couple of weeks to allow the league table to be properly sorted out. After all, the play-off semis are not normally held until the first half of October in any case. All the best Rob This would indeed be sensible - particuarly when among the fixtures 'lost' because of the deadline are Rye away at Bournemouth and home to Plymouth: fixtures which would effectively decide matters.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules m Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 This would indeed be sensible - particuarly when among the fixtures 'lost' because of the deadline are Rye away at Bournemouth and home to Plymouth: fixtures which would effectively decide matters.. Shame you can't choose your fixtures at the start of the season, you could have all the 'softer' meetings early on in the season and leave the hard ones til the end just in case you don't have to run them. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 The play offs are not even scheduled yet so we have the ridiculous situation where fixtures are run well in advance of the POs (our last fixture is a week today) but don't count towards the positions for the POs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Shame you can't choose your fixtures at the start of the season, you could have all the 'softer' meetings early on in the season and leave the hard ones til the end just in case you don't have to run them. Jules Hmm, this is indeed a possibility!! As for the P/Os not yet being arranged , this is true making the 12th. a ludicrously early cut-off date! Though I also find it amazing in the Elite that there are matches tomorrow (Thursday) which once settled will allow the successful clubs to arrange their home matches in the P/O semis on the, er, Monday...! Yes, just three days advance notice... How do they maximise publicity for such meetings under such circumstances..?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 The play offs are not even scheduled yet so we have the ridiculous situation where fixtures are run well in advance of the POs (our last fixture is a week today) but don't count towards the positions for the POs. As I understand it the play offs will be scheduled early next week when we know who is racing who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Noew it's over to Plymouth at Perry Barr tomorrow...: a first ever visit there... As said before that seems an unlikely place for the Devils to get the win which would all but clinch it for them. And if they come away pointless that opens it up for the Buccs to grab at least a point at KL.. So Plymouth did lose at Perry Barr but sounds like they ran Dudley quite close... Certainly was never going to be the massacre the Buccs needed to see to overhaul Plymouth on points difference!!! Next up it's back to the Cobras looking to deny Plymouth 4th. and set a winning target for Bournemouth by winning on Saturday... The only problem for thenm is their opponents are Newport!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen79 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 So to recap on the race for first, Dudley have set the target at 42 and gone above Buxton. Do the Hitmen have no more matches before the cut-off then? If not, it's just down to Newport in their two away matches, who can reach 45 with two big wins? Or even the sufficient total of 43 with two narrow victories!? I use the question marks because I just never feel sure of the rules any more! If Heathens top the league, it seems the bext choice of opponents for us to beat would be those with the furthest distance for us to travel to! Even if Play-Offs are 'scheduled' next week though, there is no way that we can fit our semi-final in until October at the earliest as we have the KOC semi final next week, the pointless league match against Weymouth the following week (does that even need to be run now, with what will surely be a much lower than average crowd??) and then the Golden Hammer on the 28th September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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