philcrumpisgod Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Can anybody tell us the situation surrounding Mark Jones at the Hornets? I've heard he has to return home soon (something about the end of his visa ) and that when he does there's the possibility of him being replaced by the returning Tim Webster. Mark's been great to have at the Hornets and has piled up plenty of points for us with great style so it will be disappointing to see him go but nevertheless good to see Tim back if that happens. Anybody got any info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Sounds like you have probably got it right, it was in the Star this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly92 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Someone correct me if i am wrong but i think he has abou 3/4 meetings left before he goes back!! Such a shame becuase he has been a brill rider, lets hope he back next season!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcrumpisgod Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Sounds like you have probably got it right, it was in the Star this week. I saw that in the Star Trees but it said that Mark was returning "to his homeland next month". I take that to mean September but is it the 1st, the 30th or whenever? We have a fair number of meetings in September and I'd like to see Mark do as many as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I saw that in the Star Trees but it said that Mark was returning "to his homeland next month". I take that to mean September but is it the 1st, the 30th or whenever? We have a fair number of meetings in September and I'd like to see Mark do as many as possible. Was told on Sunday that he flies home on Sept 2nd or 3rd as that is when his visa runs out. I hope he comes back to Newport next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Was told on Sunday that he flies home on Sept 2nd or 3rd as that is when his visa runs out. I hope he comes back to Newport next year If this is true then he shouldn't even be in the NL as a 6 month visa (which I'm presuming is what is referred to) does not permit you to race. The youth mobility visa lasts for two years and is the one that the commonwealth riders need to race in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Sounds as though NL promoters & BSPA should get to the bottom of these permits..... could be right what montie posted on another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Sounds as though NL promoters & BSPA should get to the bottom of these permits..... could be right what montie posted on another thread. What was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 What was that? Read the Tim Webster thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) Montie Quote That clears that up then lol I did get told the other day that the reason why Weymouth couldn't sign the Aussie Tom Armstrong was because there are only allowed to be 12 Aussies in the NL anyone else heard of this [/Montie,s quot I was told that every aussie riding in the nl was riding ilegally,and that there are no work permits available that'll be why tom armstrong can't ride can of worms spring to mind Thats what Montie wrote the other Day, so i guess someone needs to protest to the BSPA, when they are riding against Newport, and every NL promoter needs to be checking the validity of the visas they have. I respect Jaynes Knowledge of visas, she has been doing this long enough now to know what is what. I have nothing against Mark Jones, but if he is only on a "visit visa" then i know he should NOT be riding for a team, and thats why Tim Webster, and Danny Halsey, and other riders without Team spots are being hard done by. Edited August 19, 2010 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 I have nothing against Mark Jones, but if he is only on a "visit visa" then i know he should NOT be riding for a team, and thats why Tim Webster, and Danny Halsey, and other riders without Team spots are being hard done by. Tim Webster and Danny Halsey are not without team spots because of riders like Mark Jones, they are without team spots because Mildenhall folded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Tim Webster and Danny Halsey are not without team spots because of riders like Mark Jones, they are without team spots because Mildenhall folded. Mildenhall folded - Tim Webster lost his place at Newport to a Mildenhall rider. When Mark Jones goes back home Tim Webster will (possibly/probably) get a place back in the Newport team. It's the overlap between Mildenhall folding and Mark Jones going home that has meant that Tim Webster has lost his team place. If it was really not the fault of Mark Jones being in the team why wasn't he (Mark) sidelined (because he is going home) rather than Tim Webster??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) My point is as Jayne has said most visa riders in the NL should be on a Youth visa, which lasts for 2 years, If Mark Jones is only on a visit Visa, then thats why he has to return home, and VISIT Visas are NOT allowed to <work> have a Team place, because thats what they are VISIT visas, unless Mark has other valid reasons why he has to return home. Quote from jayne; If this is true then he shouldn't even be in the NL as a 6 month visa (which I'm presuming is what is referred to) does not permit you to race. The youth mobility visa lasts for two years and is the one that the commonwealth riders need to race in the NL.end of Quote. Edited August 19, 2010 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Question - Are you still classed as working if you're not paid but have your 'costs' reimbursed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Question - Are you still classed as working if you're not paid but have your 'costs' reimbursed? This is the same argument that Rye used for Tyson Nelson. If you have a look at the borders agency site then it explains it all there. A general visa (commonly referred to as a tourist visa) which lasts 6 months specifically states that you cannot be a 'sportsperson'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 This is the same argument that Rye used for Tyson Nelson. If you have a look at the borders agency site then it explains it all there. A general visa (commonly referred to as a tourist visa) which lasts 6 months specifically states that you cannot be a 'sportsperson'. The BSPA really need to be checking these visas. Surely promoters should be required to photocopy visas and send emails/letters to the BSPA to prove the eligibility of their riders. Promoters should know what sort of visa their rider holds when signing them. I'm presuming that no promoter has questioned visas because they would presume that their fellow promoters were honest... There could be a lot of adjustments to be made - and a lot of meetings won or lost because of the illegal use of riders if what 21st Century Heahten says is true. The promoters really should be more careful because they could damage the career of a rider - being unable to ride in the UK - if laws are found to be broken. Yet another reason for a 'Brits only' in the National Development League... IMHO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcrumpisgod Posted August 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Flippin' 'eck, I didn't realise that a little question about Mark's possible return date would open (re-open) such a can of worms on here It seems obvious that there are some people on here, because of experience perhaps, that know more than others about this complex (or is it simple?) subject and it's interesting to read their views. But if they, perhaps Jayne, know their stuff and believe themselves to be correct, what is going on? How about the authorities get to grips with it and sort things out properly? Let's have legal teams and riders competing here legally from the off rather than riders and clubs losing points retrospectively off the track. Shouldn't be too difficult should it? Can you imagine a situation whereby after Mark returns to Oz, it is declared that he was racing for the Hornets illegally all season and all of his race points are deducted from all of the matches he rode in and all the results were changed to reflect that. What a farce that would be and little wonder our great sport is ridiculed as a laughing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Flippin' 'eck, I didn't realise that a little question about Mark's possible return date would open (re-open) such a can of worms on here With all due respect, Phil, that's Bulldust, mate. You've been on here long enough to know that you don't have to do much to stir up the 'Little Englanders' who infest this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Flippin' 'eck, I didn't realise that a little question about Mark's possible return date would open (re-open) such a can of worms on here How about the authorities get to grips with it and sort things out properly? Let's have legal teams and riders competing here legally from the off rather than riders and clubs losing points retrospectively off the track. Shouldn't be too difficult should it? Can you imagine a situation whereby after Mark returns to Oz, it is declared that he was racing for the Hornets illegally all season and all of his race points are deducted from all of the matches he rode in and all the results were changed to reflect that. What a farce that would be and little wonder our great sport is ridiculed as a laughing stock. Blame it on greedy promoters who will do anything to have a winning team... and the BSPA who do not govern - but just rely on the honesty of promoters. The supporters are innocent in all this... we trust our promoters to be honest... I'd rather my team be bottom of the League honestly - than higher than that by using (known to the promotion) illegal riders. It is the BSPA and some promoters who are bringing the sport into disrepute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 With all due respect, Phil, that's Bulldust, mate. You've been on here long enough to know that you don't have to do much to stir up the 'Little Englanders' who infest this forum. No...Honest law-abiding supporters who do not like to see British laws broken. If they'd come over on the correct visas we couldn't comment... And by breaking these British laws the riders might never be able to ride in Britain again - because they have been helped by promoters to break the laws of the land. I actually feel sorry for these very young riders who probably would not know the consequences of their actions - unless told by the promotions so eager to use them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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